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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by lghh »

klabb3 wrote: post #464
fckgw wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1Password has gotten way, way better than it was a few years ago in my opinion. Tons of new features and the redesign a couple years ago was a big improvement.

> Tons of new features and the redesign After LastPass lost it I shopped around and avoided 1Password precisely because it looks and is marketed like typical feature-oriented apps powered by VC valuations and growth metrics. I do not like trigger happy product management near critical single-purpose software. It’s already quite challenging, because pw managers need (1) offline support (2) a sync protocol that’s virtu…

I don't understand this sentiment. I'm not attacking, I'm trying to understand.

So if there's opportunity for a feature that adds real value for many people to an application without it affecting the core of the product, it shouldn't be added? I can add passwords and unlock websites just as quickly with 1Password as I could 8 years ago. Why does adding other useful, related features make a difference?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by drumdance »

pmontra wrote: post #389
hankman86 wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the adoption for passkeys? I do not get the impression that they will replace passwords or “social” logins anytime soon.

I have yet to notice a site asking me a passkey.

There are 3-4 I regularly use. Google offers it for their business accounts, of which I have a couple.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by rootusrootus »

I wonder if the biggest side benefit to a player like Apple getting into this game is the pressure it puts on web site developers to follow some kind of convention with their login forms. The vast majority of the time I have trouble filling a password, it's because the web developer did some wacky shit with the fields that make them unrecognizable, or in the worst case actively prevent pasting a password. It's one thing to blow off someone like 1Password, but Apple has a huge reach, they are not so easy to ignore.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by Jeremy1026 »

jjav wrote: post #377
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #369

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> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. I couldn't agree more. I use Google's password manager because (1) it syncs everything (2) I already use Chrome everywhere (3) I can't be arsed to set up another password manager that is generally inferior in terms of integration. I don't care for the FOSS argument. I just want stuff to work and work easily. Plus, I sincerely believe Google is 'too big to fail'. If s…

> Plus, I sincerely believe Google is 'too big to fail' Google might be too big to fail (I don't think so, but could be wrong). The flip side of that is that google is too big to care . We all know from countless reports that they will evaporate your google account and everything ever associated with it, for no reason at all and zero chance of you ever being able to reach anyone to fix it. I can't see why anyone woul…

> I can't see why anyone would risk anything of value to such a platform that can destroy all your content at any second for no reason with no warning.

The only real solution to this is to self-host, locally. Which isn't feasible for the vast majority of people.

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Post by quitit »

everdrive wrote: post #475

I don't think Apple has built this maliciously for this purpose, but for normal users this will be a strong motivator vendor lock-in.

That's an interesting take because I can see how this reduces lock-in:

1. It's now easier to access passwords on the mac because you no longer are forced to use Safari to view passwords, nor have to sort through the technical entries/certificates in Keychain Access.

2. The app surfaces a prominently positioned button for one-click sharing and exporting of passkeys/passwords, whereas existing methods significantly lack in comparison.

3. It's the opposite of lock in to consolidate all types of passwords into a single consumer-level interface, when the alternative was hunting for them across the various apps and system panels.

4. It works with iCloud for Windows for cross platform support. Which also means you don't need a mac to participate in shared password groups.

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Post by rootusrootus »

ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

My biggest worry about passwords by Apple is that I have even less pull when they screw it up. Not that I have a lot of input in 1Password, of course, but I bet if I get loud enough on HN for long enough, I could get the attention of the CEO. Try that with Apple. As a long time user (sufferer) of Screen Time, I am acutely aware of how badly Apple can screw up software, and how long they can let it go unfixed. Tim Cook ain't ever going to hear my pleas.

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Post by [deleted] »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by tyingq »

rootusrootus wrote: post #486
ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

My biggest worry about passwords by Apple is that I have even less pull when they screw it up. Not that I have a lot of input in 1Password, of course, but I bet if I get loud enough on HN for long enough, I could get the attention of the CEO. Try that with Apple. As a long time user (sufferer) of Screen Time, I am acutely aware of how badly Apple can screw up software, and how long they can let it go unfixed. Tim Coo…

Might be outweighed by the bigger effects when they do screw something up. Like if their passwords mess up for amazon.com, some big airline, Facebook, etc... the noise will get pretty loud pretty quick.
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