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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Clubber »

kulahan wrote: post #433
Clubber wrote: post #297

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>All of these things just seem to be proxies for "your parents are rich". 1. You have good parents (attentive/loving/encouraging/supportive/available). 2. You have access to a good education. Those seem to be the big differentiators in my experience. Rich people typically have #2, so that's 1 of 2 right out of the gate.

Having a lot of money and having loving parents are not related in any way I can tell. Maybe they’re less likely to fight with each other in a money-based scenario, which is probably better for the kid. Education makes a bit more sense since it’s at least easy to buy your way into a better education.

>Having a lot of money and having loving parents are not related in any way I can tell.

They're not, they serve different needs. Perhaps indirectly related, but having money certainly doesn't make you a good parent. Those are just prerequisites for a higher chance of success. If you have neither you have the least chance of success. If you have one, you're more likely to succeed, if you have both, you're most likely to succeed.

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Post by seb1204 »

subpixel wrote: post #6

Positive relationships with adults is shown to be means of counteracting adverse childhood experiences. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8237477/ I volunteer in a local school. It's not always fun, but something has to change.

Thank you for volunteering.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

thfuran wrote: post #328
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #288

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You have like zero molecules left in your body from 10 years ago. If you are worried about physics, the most important consideration is your diet. And are you really a derivation of your state, or of the things that happen to you? The guys who were drafted into war in Vietnam and then got killed there, was there anything about them that would have made a difference to their cruel fate? If we go by this philosophy, th…

>If we go by this philosophy, the most import decisions are when you were born, where, and into what environment. Isn't that basically the gist of TFA?

TFA? Trifluoroacetic acid? Tenant Farmer Association?

Can't find any appropriate acronym

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ZhadruOmjar »

sabarn01 wrote: post #456
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #437

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The point is, likely intentionally, understated. I cannot speak for the author, but the gist I got is that our society thrusts wholly unprepared people into adulthood and we could get a lot of improvements from just making it harder for people to fail at adulting. IYKYK and if you don’t you will get fucked - repeatedly. Basic life skills are not taught so it’s up to the individual if their family fails. Importantly,…

The outcome of this has been to make it harder to fail as a kid. We don't hold kids back anymore and we don't suspend kids anymore. At some point in time the rubber meets the road and you will be held accountable and have to be. We could improve the social safety net but we never want to match other countries that have more supervision of their at risk population. When I worked temp jobs there wasn't a place I worked…

There are so many teachers explaining how and why kids don't fail anymore and that leads to issues from grade 1 to graduation. At some point people just need to _do the thing_.

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Post by ineptech »

bsimpson wrote: post #246
ineptech wrote: post #231

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> someone who only produces $7 of value is no longer employable This is the wrong model. You're using a worker's wage to describe their productivity, and a big reason for the mess we're in is that wages stopped increasing with productivity fifty years ago. (search "wages productivity graph")

This feels like you're nitpicking the language, not the thinking. Imagine someone's contribution to a business increases revenue by $1000 and the total cost to employ that person for the same period is $800. Do you think most businesses would go "nope, we only hire highly leveraged people who produce $2000 in revenue"? There are inefficiencies in scale (like communication/bookkeeping overhead) that might disincentivi…

Comparing someone's wage to the value they produce is a fine way for a company to decide whether to hire someone, but I didn't think that was the question you were trying to answer, was it? Perhaps I misunderstood, but I thought you were asking something like, what policy would help people who are at the margins, which is an economy-wide question that can't be answered from one employer's perspective. Workers may only be "worth it" at some wage, at some point in time, but that wage is subject to supply and demand just like everything else. A policy intervention like raising the minimum wage will alter that supply/demand curve.

For example, suppose janitors all make the minimum wage. If we increase it, there might be some company at the margin that will go without janitorial services, but most companies will pay their janitors the new wage, which (from the "a worker costs $X and produces $Y" model's perspective) will look a lot like the nation's janitors suddenly started producing more value. Ergo, it's not to say that that model is wrong, just that it's not useful in answering a question like should we increase the minimum wage.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Aeolun »

coldtea wrote: post #453
richardlblair wrote: post #442

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"You'd just call the police" This is funny because you'd be hard pressed to find someone from a low income neighborhood calling the police.

Not to mention, easy to find some killed by the very police they themselves called. Aderrien Murry, 11, called 911 for help at his home in Indianola, Miss., last weekend. But after police arrived, an officer shot him in the chest. The boy is recovering, but his family is asking for answers — and they want the officer involved to be fired. https://www.npr.org/2023/05/26/1178398395/mississippi-11-yea... A Los Angeles c…

Yeah, stories like that would make you not want to call the police all right.

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Post by batshit_beaver »

sabarn01 wrote: post #456
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #437

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The point is, likely intentionally, understated. I cannot speak for the author, but the gist I got is that our society thrusts wholly unprepared people into adulthood and we could get a lot of improvements from just making it harder for people to fail at adulting. IYKYK and if you don’t you will get fucked - repeatedly. Basic life skills are not taught so it’s up to the individual if their family fails. Importantly,…

The outcome of this has been to make it harder to fail as a kid. We don't hold kids back anymore and we don't suspend kids anymore. At some point in time the rubber meets the road and you will be held accountable and have to be. We could improve the social safety net but we never want to match other countries that have more supervision of their at risk population. When I worked temp jobs there wasn't a place I worked…

> The outcome of this has been to make it harder to fail as a kid.

I'd like to go a little further and suggest that more recently there's been a trend of not holding the adults accountable either.

Instead of trying to improve outcomes for all, we seem to have decided to choose the path of collective failure.

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Post by mortify »

imacomputertoo wrote: post #209

The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

The idea that we're collectively responsible is abjectly untrue. The only people with responsibility are the parents because they are the only ones who are allowed to make decisions. That is unless the government wants to take their children away because they're "uninvolved." Not that a government employee or paid foster family is likely to be better.

The fact is that people with positive influences and role models will do better. It would be great if we could maximize that, but who chooses who is "better," one of the majority who didn't have those role models themselves?

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Post by geraldalewis »

Sorry for the meta-commentary, but I don’t think it warrants its own post: wow the Overton window has shifted right on HN. I’ve noticed it with other comment threads but this one drives it home. Not good for discourse.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by 6510 »

gentleman11 wrote: post #455
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #437

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The point is, likely intentionally, understated. I cannot speak for the author, but the gist I got is that our society thrusts wholly unprepared people into adulthood and we could get a lot of improvements from just making it harder for people to fail at adulting. IYKYK and if you don’t you will get fucked - repeatedly. Basic life skills are not taught so it’s up to the individual if their family fails. Importantly,…

If you say the problem is social class and poverty, and not having available role models to show how adult life actually works, you’ll get flamed and trolled. If you say the problem is racial issues, you’ll get upvotes. I’ll just sit here and await my downvotes now

The pattern I've noticed is that the poor and the poorly educated have no career expectations from their kids. If the kids with wealthy and/or highly educated parents showed up at home with just one poor grade all hell broke lose. Grounded for 6 months, allowance cuts, no more TV or video games etc One kept his kid at home during the holidays to tutor him himself, screaming 90% of the time. The other parents would look at the grades for if only my parents gave me a good kick in the but I wouldn't be here right now

I would send all 13 year olds to the factory for a good few months. Earnings to be paid when 21. I would also introduce Sunday school if your grades are crappy, 8 hours every week until you are no longer behind. And finally, call in the parents regularly just to annoy the fuck out of them. You don't seem very involved mr Jones. Could you be so kind to explain these grades?

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