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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by scarface_74 »

pg_1234 wrote: post #425
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

~20% of Apple's total earnings (not revenue) could come from the App Store: https://deepwatermgmt.com/apples-app-store-is-an-important-p... When you look at the multiple on services - the App Store could easily be >40% of Apple's total market cap. They're going to stick their fingers in their ears as long as they can to defend that. You don't give up the golden goose. You defend it.

The EU should make a public service announcement. Something along the lines of: "We urge all EU citizens with Apple devices to have an alternate means of accessing critical internet services like banking, to protect themselves in the event we are forced to block all Apple services EU-wide for legal non-compliance." ... then watch AAPL stock drop below NVDA ... ... and Apple come crawling back, suitably obedient.

EU App Store revenue is 7% of total App Store revenue.

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Post by jajko »

rmbyrro wrote: post #258
Etheryte wrote: post #84

The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

It's sad to see Apple adopting kind of an Oracle way of business. "Kind of"... They were screwed by Microsoft in the past. And now they're the ones screwing every single small and mid-sized software shop everywhere. When will we stop buying their products?

When? When Apple products will stop being perceived as something better than competition. They somehow created the image that they are some sort of luxury, but if that was ever an actual case its long gone. Don't take me wrong, its a fine long term marketing performance and I respect them for it, but lets be a bit more technical and less emotional here.

Some phones are way more expensive than A top line, have massive cameras, better screens, batteries (I mean real life, one of failures on A side for first decade), better integration with rest of the electronic world (like streaming fullhd tv from phone to any TV I saw so far, or having mouse&keyboard desktop on big screen via single USB-C cable out of box, or very good pen within the phone - image editing goes to another level). Plus you have much bigger variety, anything from 50$. And they are open, not unimportant aspect not only for many HN users.

That doesn't mean they do bad products, in contrary. But emotions aside, its now just another set of products with personally weird philosophy, even weirder emotional fanbase and just a much more closed ecosystem.

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

Etheryte wrote: post #84

The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

These are some cult-like requirements. The term "good standing" comes not from business, it comes directly from the domain of authoritarian-destructive cults.

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Post by madeofpalk »

markus92 wrote: post #78
okso wrote: post #73

Apple keeps a strong control nevertheless, as detailed in the page "Getting ready for Web Distribution in the EU." > Apps offered through Web Distribution must meet Notarization requirements to protect platform integrity, like all iOS apps, and can only be installed from a website domain that the developer has registered in App Store Connect. Further, the conditions for eligibility seem to block access to new startup…

The one million requirement is where you start paying them the 50cts per install, right?

You pay the CTF 50 cents on all installs outside of the Apple App Store.

You get 1m free Apple App Store installs/year.

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Post by pg_1234 »

lgeorget wrote: post #478
pg_1234 wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU should make a public service announcement. Something along the lines of: "We urge all EU citizens with Apple devices to have an alternate means of accessing critical internet services like banking, to protect themselves in the event we are forced to block all Apple services EU-wide for legal non-compliance." ... then watch AAPL stock drop below NVDA ... ... and Apple come crawling back, suitably obedient.

That sounds awfully like market manipulation. We need something a tad more subtle.

Market manipulation would be if they shorted the stock first.

This would be:

A) looking out for their citizens

B) making it clear who's boss

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Post by fxtentacle »

paulmd wrote: post #432
klaustopher wrote: post #15

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> provides developers through ongoing investments in the tools, technologies, and services that enable them to build and share innovative apps with users around the world. That's what the 99$ fee for the developer program is for. The 50ct Core Technology Fee is just Apple showing the middle finger to successful developers. I hope the EU goes after this fee first. The whole reason for the DMA is that developers do not…

> The user has paid for the device and the operating system, the developer has paid for the developer account, so I am really interested to see how Apple justifies that fee in a court of law. pretty much the same way nintendo or sony or microsoft justify it, I'd think. it's pretty much exactly the same thing as windows S edition, or a console - you paid for the laptop, the developer paid to get notarization to releas…

In the EU, the spirit of the laws is what counts in court, not the letter of the law. That means it's a lot easier to understand things if you start with the intended consequences:

Can you have a normal life without Xbox S or PS5? Yes => no need to regulate here

Can you have a normal life without iOS or Android? No => it's an essential utility => let's regulate this

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Post by [deleted] »

temac wrote: post #346
alwayslikethis wrote: post #211

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Or alternatively, that the manufacturer shall have no special privileges when it comes to software. The OS APIs needs to be public and if Apple can do something, someone else unauthorized should be able to do it also. This would also apply the play store privileges on Android, but that is a much less egregious violation than what Apple does.

Google Play store has some exclusive privileges?

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Post by toyg »

mvdtnz wrote: post #454
McDyver wrote: post #19

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Reminds me of this: "The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes. As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the Open Beta and other adjustments made to milestone rewards before launch. Among other things, we're looking at average per-player credit earn rates on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players…

Are we supposed to know who you're quoting and what it's even about?

EA games commenting on the backlash to some charges they introduced for a game in 2017: https://gizmodo.com/congratulations-to-ea-games-for-posting-...

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Post by somat »

The whole app ecosystem(android and apple) is carefully constructed for maximum market owner value extraction, user value is a secondary consideration.

Basically, it is what the web would look like if it were developed by corporate interests, conversely "apps" could have been a better designed web[1], but instead are this comparatively clunky gated process where you have to explicitly install the app first only then can you use it.

1. The web was designed to deliver pages, this was well designed, application like functionally grew organically afterwards and is quite the mess.

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Post by light_hue_1 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #464
kortilla wrote: post #288

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Size wasn’t the issue, it was being a monopoly. AT&T today has big and small competitors in every space. They used to own the phone in your house.

In wireless internet, ATT competes with Verizon and T-Mobile. But for fiber internet to the home, ATT is still a monopoly for its customers since there are never 2 fiber ISPs.

> there are never 2 fiber ISPs.

There are often zero!

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