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Re: The dating app paradox

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The average marriage in the US lasts 8 years.

Isn't this (heavily?) influenced by a small amount of people who marry again and again?

Kind of. The median is apparently 19. Still, if a lifelong marriage is winning at life, we're a society of losers.

Re: The dating app paradox

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OkCupid really went to pot after the acquisition. You can't even browse/search any more. It's all Tinder-style matching. Is that what people really want? Online dating has gotten progressively worse over the past ~10 years. Even Craigslist personals is gone... Where can one meet a weirdo nowadays?

KiwiFarms, or you could try 4chan, I recommend /b, but I am sure other spots will net you plenty of weirdos.

The actual answer was discord. Most of discords users are on those other websites anyway

Re: The dating app paradox

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> and the sheer number of interactions that lead to nothing is much higher and more quantifiable than IRL I've done tons of online dating and used to bartend so I'm around single IRL people all the time. I absolutely have far, far more "successful interactions" in OLD, unless you're also referring to chatting, which is pointless to even discuss. I'm referring to actually meeting the person and whether that turns out…

The reason why people hate ghosting is because it is not explicit rejection. It wastes your time by making you wait in a state of uncertainty.

That isn't ghosting. GHOSTING is when someone who actually is involved with you in a RELATIONSHIP beyond a 1 steak dinner tinder date disappears from your life without any recognition that they're leaving. Someone you ACTUALLY have ties to.

I've had it happen before. I've also had thousands of OLD rejections (uwu oh no), and there is absolutely no comparison between some dweeb getting rejected after 2 dates and crying about it and having someone you've been with for years disappear.

My partner in 2020 disappeared when she stopped taking her medication. It was absolutely traumatizing that this person I spent 2 years with just disappeared without a word one day. I know she's alive and in my city but in 4 years I've never heard a word. No drunk texts, nothin. And I'm not going to track her down or seem stalkerish if she clearly lost interest in having me in her life.

And you know what one of the most frustrating parts of that 2020 when I was stuck at home hiding from covid and my partner just disappeared? When I'd look up support from other people online about being ghosted/dear-johned and 99% of the posts on reddit/etc where about ONLINE DATING GHOSTERS. God. Some of those people were absolutely pathetic.

It's ABSOLUTELY ridiculous to expect someone you've hung out with a few times via OLD to NOT disappear without telling you why. Christ I've done it a billion times. You don't feel a connection, you move on, both people USUALLY understand and are mature about it and don't cry and almost all of the time it's mutual because if I'm not feeling a vibe I'm probably not going to seem interested, and vice versa.

I don't think I've ever had a woman cause any stress when we've ended things and moved on.

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As well as regulating them, Western governments might want to actually fund high-quality, not-for-profit dating systems of some kind. Improved health for citizens, lessened extremism, not to mention possibly boosted population growth could result.

I think colleges would be well-advised to create dating systems that encourage healthy relationships (keyword: healthy) between students. Students who marry someone they met at university are much more likely to become enthusiastic alumni. And hookup culture is a disaster for everyone.

All they need to do is work towards maintaining a healthy ration between man and women in their alumni. Something around 51% male and 49% women usually causes people to form more serious relationships. When the ratio is too skewed in the man's favor, they women feel pressured to participate in the hookup culture to secure a mate (source: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24693022-date-onomics).

With the current trend of more women graduating from university, this will probably get worse. Working towards getting more men into universities will end up benefiting women because it will probably create a healthier dating culture.

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KiwiFarms, or you could try 4chan, I recommend /b, but I am sure other spots will net you plenty of weirdos.

The actual answer was discord. Most of discords users are on those other websites anyway

Yes, but the discord pool is diluted.

Think about like 100,000,000 tons of 1% acid being discord.

And 10,000 tons of pure acid being the things I mentioned. It is going to be easier to get burned in the places I mentioned.

Discord has much more acid.... but when ya want the good stuff, you have to look to the specialists.

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They are authoritarian, not conservative. The family values crap is just bread and circus for the religious zealots.

Both parties in the US are fairly authoritarian. They've dine an excellent job at riling up the public into picking sides while the parties themselves sure seem to be one and the same. Sure they get into public debates and throw political mud at each other, but at the end of the day they agree on direction and end up only debating details. For example, both parties want to shut down the southern border and only debat…

I didn’t mention any political party.

Kindly don’t put words in my mouth.

Re: The dating app paradox

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We are being way too generous to dating app companies here. They invented their own problems, and applied those problems to our social lives in order to turn a profit.

Dating apps aren't optimized for connection. They are optimized for engagement. The most engaging dating behavior is rejection.

The only utility that a dating app can provide its users is to maximize the number of interactions.

Tinder explicitly limits the number of interactions (swipes) a user can perform each day. It also limits the diversity of the group that each user interacts with. By doing this, Tinder has explicitly removed all of its utility! The only thing it has left is its walled garden; so it's no surprise how anticompetitive Match has become.

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Revealed preferences are a thing, no matter the social class. What people self-report to want and what they actually want is rarely the same, especially in fields with high social pressure.

Of course but you can't just claim that because you feel like X then everyone feels like X even if they say Y. You gotta have something to back it up. Especially if you represent a minority of users in many categories...

First, I think you're making some big assumption by implying that GP's statement is him projecting his own beliefs/attitudes, rather than being generally cynical.

Second, I think "people are superficial and attracted to people who fit conventional beauty standards" is a fair null hypothesis. That's what conventional beauty standards mean. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that people's stated preferences there are biased towards making themselves look less superficial.

Re: The dating app paradox

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Committed relationships found by judging other people's personality and looks are completely unnatural for human beings, and a result of conditioning by society. The natural state is living immersed in a place where other beings are and spontaneously interacting with them without a developed ego/personality filtering the interaction, as the closest relatives to human (chimpanzees and bonobos) do. This makes the socia…

"Committed relationships found by judging other people's personality and looks are completely unnatural for human beings, and a result of conditioning by society."

Evolutionary psychiatrists would not agree. They would argue there's practical reasons that we would evolve to judge others. For example a woman judges a man to guess if he'll have a wandering eye or lack of loyalty and abandon their kids. A man judges a woman to guess if she'll have a wandering eye and trick him into raising another man's children (Since in a natural environment men have no way to know they are the father.)

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