Put a TOC on all your content that says “by using my content for AI you agree to pay X per image” and then send them a bill once you see it in an AI.
Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
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Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#482Any AI art/video/photography/music/etc generator company who generates revenue needs to add watermarks to let the public know its AI generator. This should be forced via legislation in all countries.
If they don't then whatever social network or other services where things can shared/viewed by large groups to millions & are posted publicly need to be labeled "We can not verify veracity of this content."
I want a real internet ..this AI stuff is just triple fold increasing fake crap on the Internet and in turn / time our trust in it!
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#483This seems to introduce levels of artifacts that many artists would find unacceptable: https://twitter.com/sini4ka111/status/1748378223291912567 The rumblings I'm hearing are that this a) barely works with last-gen training processes b) does not work at all with more modern training processes (GPT-4V, LLaVA, even BLIP2 labelling [1]) and c) would not be especially challenging to mitigate against even should it become…
The screenshots you sent in [1] are inference, not training. You need to get a Nightshaded image into the training set of an image generator in order for this to have any effect. When you give an image to GPT-4V, Stable Diffusion img2img, or anything else, you're not training the AI - the model is completely frozen and does not change at all[0]. I don't know if anyone else is still scraping new images into the genera…
[3] sounds really interesting - do you have a link?
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#484Trying to convince an AI it sees something and a human they don’t is probably a losing battle.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#485Put a TOC on all your content that says “by using my content for AI you agree to pay X per image” and then send them a bill once you see it in an AI.
Once you see what exactly? “AI” isn’t some image filter from the early 2000s.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#486Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is true. They are just taking a sample from a generated latent space, just like taking a photo of something doesn't make you an artist.
So, there is no artists in, for example, street photography? Picture must be altered to become art, or staged? Was it irony? :)
I took gp as satire. But maybe not haha.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#487The number of people who are going to be able to produce high fidelity art with off the shelf tools in the near future is unbelievable. It’s pretty exciting. Being able to find a mix of styles you like and apply them to new subjects to make your own unique, personalized, artwork sounds like a wickedly cool power to give to billions of people.
In terms of art, population tends to put value not on the result, but origin and process. People will just look down on any art that’s AI generated in a couple of years when it becomes ubiquitous.
I disagree. I definitely value modern digital art more than most historical art, because it just looks better. If AI art looks better (and in some cases it does) then I'll prefer that.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#488Huge market for snake oil here. There is no way that such tools will ever win, given the requirements the art remain viewable to human perception, so even if you made something that worked (which this sounds like it doesn’t) from first principles it will be worked around immediately. The only real way for artists or anyone really to try to hold back models from training on human outputs is through the law, ie, levera…
The level of claims accompanied by enthusiastic reception from a technically illiterate audience make it sound, smell, and sound like snake oil without much deep investigation. There is another alternative to the law. Provide your art for private viewing only, and ensure your in person audience does not bring recording devices with them. That may sound absurd, but it's a common practice during activities like having…
That doesn't sound like a viable business model. There seems to be a non-trivial bootstrap problem involved -- how do you become well-known enough to attract audiences to private venues in sufficient volume to make a living? -- and would in no way diminish demand for AI-generated artwork which would still continue to draw attention away from you.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#489This seems to introduce levels of artifacts that many artists would find unacceptable: https://twitter.com/sini4ka111/status/1748378223291912567 The rumblings I'm hearing are that this a) barely works with last-gen training processes b) does not work at all with more modern training processes (GPT-4V, LLaVA, even BLIP2 labelling [1]) and c) would not be especially challenging to mitigate against even should it become…
I can’t really see any difference in those images on the Twitter example when viewing it on mobile
It's really noticeable on desktop, like compressing an 800kb jpeg to 50kb. Maybe on mobile you won't notice, but on desktop the image looks blown out.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#490Earlier quoted context omitted.
In terms of art, population tends to put value not on the result, but origin and process. People will just look down on any art that’s AI generated in a couple of years when it becomes ubiquitous.
This is already the case. Art is a process, a form of human expression, not an end result. I'm sure OpenAI's models can shit out an approximation of a new Terry Pratchett or Douglas Adams novel, but nobody with any level of literary appreciation would give a damn unless fraud was committed to trick readers into buying it. It's not the author's work, and there's no human message behind it.
Novels aren't about a message. They're entertainment. If the novel is entertaining then it's irrelevant whether there is or isn't a message in it. Besides, literature enthusiasts will invent a message for a popular story even if there never was one.
Also, I'm sure that you can eventually just prompt the model with the message you want to put into the story, if you can't already do that.