Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

tuvsud.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

481–490 of 620 posts

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#481

Post by jen20 »

janoc wrote: post #262
elif wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. Is your wife's phone nearby by chance? The only time this happens to me it's because we are both walking to the car together and her phone unlocks it before mine does.

And why would that feature rely on a phone in the first place instead of letting the driver change the profile when getting behind the wheel? Or e.g. use a fingerprint sensor or interior camera (which some of the Teslas do have)? That sounds like some software guy somewhere didn't realize that those seats in the car aren't only for carrying air but that actual people or, gosh, occasional other drivers ride in them to…

It needs to let you select the seat _from the door_ before getting in, without access to the touch screen, else someone 6ft getting in after someone 5ft is in for a miserable time.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#482

Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

mlrtime wrote: post #275
oblio wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is this paradox of technology where despite a ton of technology it seems that productivity is not shooting up for society as a whole. I'll try to find the article. It looks more like technology is > wealth, which is SUPER scary since technology inherently allows concentration. Facebook killed 1 million newspapers, yay, now 1 American corporation can siphon all those profits to... no one even knows where, since…

Redistributing is not a problem that needs to be solved, raising the floor is. The delta between floor and ceiling does not matter. Lift everyone up, this is not 0 sum.

> > this is not 0 sum

The important stuff absolutely is zero sum. Housing , p**y and bragging rights

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#483

Post by jen20 »

secabeen wrote: post #477
arpinum wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And my claim is that during a yearly maintenance any faults are found and corrected before the HU inspection. If you don't have a yearly maintenance then you have a longer time period for faults to develop. Or for items to expire, like a first aid kit.

Not German, but I do wonder if it's common to schedule your oil change and other maintenance just before your state inspection. I would certainly do that; get the dealer to fix all pending issues and get the car into tip-top shape just before a mandatory inspection. If this is the case, you would expect more problems with Tesla, as there isn't a dealer mechanic minimizing issues just before inspection.

In the UK, “service and MOT” was standard practice.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#484

Post by piperswe »

nickpp wrote: post #144
seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

> That goes for their software also, absolute junk. Compared to what? I am a BMW owner who would never recommend this brand to anybody because of its horrible build and software problems. Thank God for CarPlay!

I always find this sentiment about BMW surprising - iDrive is my favorite of the OEM infotainment systems.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#485

Post by martin8412 »

edude03 wrote: post #393
badpun wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3. Never in my life have I just stared at the speedometer. Why are you staring at it so much? Is something wrong? Without checking speedometer often, how do you know if you're not going above the speed limit?

Go the same speed as traffic? If that turns out to be above the speed limit "they can't (and realistically won't) stop us all"

The traffic camera will gladly catch you all and send you fines.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#486

Post by mft_ »

seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

Interesting. I had a model 3 for a couple of years from new (company car) and nothing went wrong at all. I enjoyed owning it quite a lot. And while I was irritated by the unnecessary UI rethink (maybe 18 months ago?) that worsened usability (I mean, HTF does that even happen?) overall the software was reliable, responsive and usable, and far better than any other car brand I’ve experienced.

I’m vacillating over buying another Tesla in the future. If I could guarantee a similar experience to my last car I definitely would, but I’m also wary of getting stuck when something goes wrong and the only recourse is Tesla’s anecdotally expensive/unreliable/un-customer-friendly “service”.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#487

Post by buffington »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #269
kossTKR wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me teslas are still annoying and dangerous because of a bunch of small things last time i rented one, like buying a great computer, but the screen colours are inverted: 1) No buttons but shit quality touch "areas in places you have to guess" on steering wheel, is straight up dangerous, and incredibly annoying because you can't "get a feel" for anything you have to do, ie. turn lights, wipers etc. 2) No other knobs…

This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

> best car UI I've ever used.

I'll reluctantly agree with this notion, but will say that being the best car UI is hardly difficult to achieve.

> There's zero guessing.

What? Do you use the UI every day? I do, and I'm constantly guessing where the latest UI update moved things to.

I suspect my Model 3 doesn't have "touch zones" on the steering wheel either, since if it I did, I'd certainly be touching them unintentionally. Or maybe my Model 3 does have them, and I just haven't found the UI control/setting to know if I do or not.

The configurable steering wheel button is a huge win in terms of usability, and it's also relatively new to the Model 3.

> you're mostly meant to use voice and put everything in auto.

Some of us don't have voices. Being able to speak out loud should not be a requirement for driving a vehicle.

Regarding everything being in auto: when everything is in auto, sometimes the car wants to automatically slam on the brakes or swerve into oncoming traffic or stopped police cars. You may be comfortable with that risk. I am not.

I have also never stared at my speedometer, but that's usually because on most cars it's easy to just glance down and see a speedometer.

On the Model 3, you have to: remember where the speedometer is now (since UI updates have moved it - it's had 4 different locations since I've owned my Tesla). Once you do find it, you have to ignore all the other UI baubles crowding around it. There are dancing grey 3D models of nearby vehicles, notifications, yellow icons, if your blinker is on, and you found the setting to enable it, sometimes a side camera overlay alternating between something you can see and full yellow/white from brightness of the blinker over exposing the shot, green icons, models of nearby vehicles that are swapping out between a truck shape, a sideways car shape, cones, then back into the sedan model (even though the vehicle it's rendering is actually a tiny old pick up trick).

It UI may be the "best car UI" you've ever used, but that doesn't mean touch-screen-only controls in a vehicle are even remotely a good idea.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#488

Post by hmottestad »

waldothedog wrote: post #227
konschubert wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody in this world wants to buy a leaf. (At least not the original model)

Data point of one but: I did!

Did you own another car, or was the Leaf (24 kWh) your only car?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#489

Post by kevinventullo »

seshagiric wrote: post #127

My experience as a Model Y owner: What works: - best in class software quality. Both various controls (lights, wipers, electronic parking brake etc.) and infotainment work just right. - Navigation is quite good, especially considering it automatically adds/ suggests charging locations as needed. - Steering assist (automatic lane and speed control) is quite handy. I never felt the need for trying out autopilot. What d…

I’m surprised to read software quality as part of what works. I test drove a Y and found that every setting had to be changed through voice commands. I saw the glass roof and thought it might be retractable. I issued the voice command “Open Sunroof” and it responded “Opening Sunroof.” Nothing happened. I said it again, same thing. I said “Close Sunroof”, and it said “Closing Sunroof”, but again nothing happened. Finally I drove it back to the dealership, where I was informed there was no sunroof! What was the software doing??

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

#490

Post by voakbasda »

Closi wrote: post #449
baldeagle wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a concept in manufacturing called the andon cord (a button / pull that activates a claxon and stops the line). Once the line stops, everyone swarms the problem and works on a fix. Toyota in the 80s pioneered its use and then beat the big 3 at manufacturing quality.

They aren't pulling the andon cord because the panel gap's are within tolerance but could be improved. Parent post is talking about general fit and finish (i.e. tolerances being wide), try being a production line operative and pulling the andon because you think panel gaps could be decreased. You are supposed to be pulling it if you notice the wiring loom is broken or something like that, not just fit and finish. Bes…

It seems that one basic misunderstanding is the idea that you could just jump into the deep end and start producing six sigma quality at scale. You can’t. Each sigma represents an order of magnitude of additional work at refining the production process, and that does not happen overnight.
Post reply on HN