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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by pepa65 »

chatmasta wrote: post #23
idonotknowwhy wrote: post #15

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I'm the opposite. I'm happy to pay for premium when logged in, but I don't like the echo chamber being built so I prefer to watch logged out, in which case I'd get ads without the adblocks

(As a point of pride, lest I be intrepteted as a corporate simp, I should add that this is an account I use entirely for leisure browsing and that's disconnected from the rest of my identity. I created it with Apple HideMyEmail and avoided supplying any phone number by setting up 2fa with a virtual WebAuthn device so I could setup a TOTP code, then generated that and saved it to my psssord manager.)

You don't have to run WebAuth on a VPS, you can use it on your PC/Mac or even on your phone..!

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by ath3nd »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #391
ath3nd wrote: post #389

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Video sharing sites of the size/impact of Youtube, similarly to social platforms like Facebook/Instagram/Twitter whatever, and platforms like Google Search/Maps, etc have a tremendous impact on society. They have become a major way of how people communicate, make daily choices, purchasing decisions, vacation plans, etc. When a company is that big and that impactful (despite being a for-profit company), it is in inter…

So what, specifically, do you want to see different about Youtube?

Btw here are two recent examples what can be done when a monopoly like Youtube tries using their dominant position in the market to squeeze workers or consumers:

- Organized action in all Nordics vs Tesla, where Musk thought he can simply do whatever he wants to the workers and their wages and not negotiate with the unions: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/05/danish-union-j...

- FTC finally chasing telecoms for the insane prices of broadband in America https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/12/the-telecom-industry-is-...

As you can see, both organized worker action and government oversight work very well to curb greedy companies. So please, when you see people outraged and trying to organize, if you don't want to join, don't, but don't try to tell people to 'just accept it', because we won't. We are angry and have had it up to here with corporate greed.

Organized action and government regulation work!

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by dmonitor »

angoragoats wrote: post #149
dmonitor wrote: post #49

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bandwidth and hosting have associated costs. unlike piracy, which is just creating copies, this is using Google’s electricity to provide you a service without giving anything in return.

Google is always free to stop serving me anything at all if they choose to. However, once they serve me something and it’s received by my user agent, I will use that user agent however I see fit to parse and display (or not display) that content.

well, that's what's happening now and everyone is whining about it

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by angoragoats »

dmonitor wrote: post #483
angoragoats wrote: post #149

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Google is always free to stop serving me anything at all if they choose to. However, once they serve me something and it’s received by my user agent, I will use that user agent however I see fit to parse and display (or not display) that content.

well, that's what's happening now and everyone is whining about it

What? What is happening now?

I’ll rephrase my position: Google is free to ban my IP, require a payment before serving me videos, or whatever else they feel is appropriate to stop me from using their electricity without being compensated appropriately. But if they serve me a page containing a video, I have every right to instruct the software on my device to render that video however I see fit. This in no way is morally or legally comparable to stealing, theft, fraud, or whatever other words people are throwing around.

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Post by Astraco »

mavhc wrote: post #460
Astraco wrote: post #403

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Because it comes configured on your phone or browser, and learning to use new tools implies will and effort.

Your non phone computer comes with Edge/Safari, yet most people use Chrome

Because Google pester you constantly to install it.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by chfalck »

ath3nd wrote: post #101
chfalck wrote: post #81

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The equivalent behavior on YouTube for your analogies would be for you to mute the ad or to browse a different tab while the ad still plays . Removing the ad altogether is very different. TV and radio can’t (last time I checked) tell if you’ve muted the ad, changed the channel, or have walked away. There’s no telemetry they can access that tells them that, so there is no legal course for the ad companies to say “we’r…

> and many will likely just endure it And many will change the channel and watch something else in the meantime. Youtube checks that you have clicked away and just waits for you, basically FORCING you to watch the ad. TV and radio don't do that, neither do magazines. If Youtube was TV, in this analogy every channel has an ad as soon as you open it. Oh, and when you go back to a channel you switched from due to an ad,…

I wasn’t aware they paused ads if you clicked away. That certainly feels like an abuse of browser APIs, and I agree that’s inappropriate behavior.

As for the TV analogy, it’s a paid option which still serves ads. YouTube offers a paid option which does not serve ads. Should they ever try to cross the line of charging money and still serving ads then all bets are off.

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