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We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by jatins »

kmlevitt wrote: post #389
Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

I think this outcome was actually much more favorable to D'Angelo's faction than people realize. The truth is before this Sam was basically running circles around the board and doing whatever he wanted on the profit side- that's what was pissing them off so much in the first place. He was even trying to depose board members who were openly critical of open AI's practices. From here on out there is going to be far mor…

> He was even trying to depose board members who were openly critical of open AI's practices.

Was there any concrete criticism in the paper that was written by that board member? (Genuinely asking, not a leading question)

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Post by stingraycharles »

AaronNewcomer wrote: post #4

What a wild ride. I have used X more the past few days than in a long time; that’s for sure!

Yes. I, too, read a whole three tweets in the past few days, which is more than I did the entire year before that.

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Post by Rastonbury »

karmasimida wrote: post #399
Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

It is not groupthink it is comradery. For me, the whole thing is just human struggle. It is about fighting for people they love and care, against some people they dislike or indifferent to.

Nah, I too will threaten to sign a petition to quit if I could save my RSUs/PPUs from evaporating. Organizational goals be damned (or is it extinction level risk be damned?)

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by ugh123 »

In light of this weekend's events, and the more i've learned about OpenAI's beginnings and purpose, I now believe that there isn't necessarily a "for profit" motivation of the company, but merely that the original intention to create AI that "benefits humanity" is in full play now through a commercialized ChatGPT, and possibly further leveraged through "GPTs" and their evolution.

Is this the "path" to AGI? Who knows! But it is a path to benefitting humanity as probably Sam and his camp see it. Does Ilya have a different plan? If he does, he has a lot of catching up to do while the current productization of ChatGPT and GPTs continue marching forward. Maybe he sees a great leap forward in accuracy in GPT-5 or later. Or maybe he feels LLMs aren't the answer and theres a completely new paradigm on the horizon. Regardless, they still need to answer to the fact that both research and product need funds to buy and power GPUs, and also satisfy the MSFT partnership. Commercialization is their only clear answer to that right now. Future investments will likely not stray from this approach, else they'll fund rivals who are more commercially motivated. Thats business.

Thus, i'm all in on this commercially motivated humanity benefitting GPT product. Let the market take OpenAI LLMs to where they need/want it to. Exciting things may follow!

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Post by midasuni »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #182
alex_young wrote: post #141

Larry Summers? He has no technical experience, torpedoed the stimulus plan in 2008, and had to resign the Harvard presidency following a messy set of statements about ‘differences’ between the sexes and their mental abilities. Kind of a shocking choice.

To be honest, one reason I like Summers as a choice is I have the impression he is willing to be unpopular when necessary, e.g. I remember him getting dragged extremely heavily on Twitter a few years back, for some takes on inflation which turned out to be fairly accurate.

This Summers?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/larry-summers-was-wr...

https://prospect.org/environment/2023-11-20-larry-summers-in...

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Post by picadores »

ugh123 wrote: post #484

In light of this weekend's events, and the more i've learned about OpenAI's beginnings and purpose, I now believe that there isn't necessarily a "for profit" motivation of the company, but merely that the original intention to create AI that "benefits humanity" is in full play now through a commercialized ChatGPT, and possibly further leveraged through "GPTs" and their evolution. Is this the "path" to AGI? Who knows!…

Totally agree, GPT should be trained to spout adds and develop dark pattern behaviour.

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Post by _giorgio_ »

eclectic29 wrote: post #196

The media and the VCs are treating Sam like some hero and savior of AI. I’m not getting it. What has he done in life and/or AI to deserve so much respect and admiration? Why don’t top researchers and scientists get equivalent (if not more) respect, admiration and support? It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

To talk about OpenAi, Ilya Sutskever and Andrej Karpathy are much more known than Sam Altman.

I'm sure that if Ilya had been removed from his role, the revolt movement would have been similar.

I've started to like Sam only when he was removed from his position.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by ssnistfajen »

Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

The board never gave a believable explanation to justify firing Altman. So the staff simply made the sensible choice of following Altman. This isn't about critical thinking because there was nothing to think about.

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Post by ugh123 »

picadores wrote: post #486
ugh123 wrote: post #484

In light of this weekend's events, and the more i've learned about OpenAI's beginnings and purpose, I now believe that there isn't necessarily a "for profit" motivation of the company, but merely that the original intention to create AI that "benefits humanity" is in full play now through a commercialized ChatGPT, and possibly further leveraged through "GPTs" and their evolution. Is this the "path" to AGI? Who knows!…

Totally agree, GPT should be trained to spout adds and develop dark pattern behaviour.

There will always be misuse, less sexy, or downright illegal use cases leveraging any AI product these days - just as is the nature of the internet itself.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by rcaught »

flylib wrote: post #111

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations says that the sole job of this initial board is to vet and appoint a new formal board of up to 9 people that will reset the governance of OpenAl. Microsoft will likely have a seat on that expanded board, as will Altman himself." https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/172721237871736880...

> as will Altman himself

Would you trust someone who doesn't believe in responsible governance for themselves, to apply responsible governance elsewhere?

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