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Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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I realized thismorning that this somewhat banal story of these guys being cast out from the place of the creators has some chance to become a core origin myth for GPT-5, which is being trained at the moment, presumably also on this schism.

The rupture seems to literally be about GPT-5 itself, whether it will be good or evil. Whatever form its growth takes it must include introspection and this from Open AI about the thing itself is inevitably going to be relevant to it.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Listen. I was confused when the whole thing was going down. I was more confused when the whole "board wants to backtrack and maybe resign" thing was going down. I got even more confused when Emmett Shear was announced as the CEO. ...but never in a hundred years would I have imagined "haha just join Microsoft" as an actual alternative. I remain, confused.

And for the OpenAI employees, they can just switch the badge in a blink second, it almost feel like a no-brainer to many. I think Sam just took the easier route to rebuild OpenAI within MSFT. Now the trouble comes to the SV VCs they now will be furious.

Did Sam build OpenAI in the first place?

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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November 17th OpenAI blog post: "The board no longer has confidence in his ability to continue leading OpenAI." The fact that they agreed to join as MS employees kinda proves that money was a big motivator.

Sam's NW is north of $500 mil, he doesn't need the money. He needs GPU compute and MSFT has mountains of it

> Sam's NW is north of $500 mil, he doesn't need the money.

Needing more money and wanting more money aren't at all the same thing.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Have to give it to Satya. There's a thin possibility that Microsoft would have to write-off its whole $10B (or more?) investment in OpenAI, but that isn't Satya's focus. The focus is on what he can do next. Maybe, recruit the most formidable AI team in the world, removed from the shackles of an awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company? Give enough (cash) incentives and most of OpenAI employees would have no qua…

You do realize that Microsoft uses OpenAI IP for all of its AI products, of which there are at least two dozen that they released this year. In what universe do you make the connection that they would write it off and go to a different, less superior/reliable, model provider? It would never happen.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

#485
It's a never ending story. Wonder how much talent they'll hire away from OpenAI and in spite of Nadella's soothing words whether OpenAI will survive all this (probably yes, but in what form?).

So it is safe to say that the negotiations didn't work out.

See: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/11/19/a-statement-from...

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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[This is not in response to the satya's tweet but the general articles or opinions in social media.] Please keep in mind that the articles you read are PR pieces, last few being from Sam's Camp. msft/sequioa/khosla has no power to remove the board or alter their actions. There is no gain for board by reinstating Sam and resigning themselves. swaying employees who have 900k$ comp is pretty hard. and not giving money t…

The whole point of this is that Microsoft doesn't even need to remove the board anymore. From their standpoint, the whole fear was openAI was about to lose a lot of their best people, including their CEO, who they had the most trusted. That would've greatly harmed their investment Now they get to have their cake and eat it too: they can keep their existing relationship with open AI and continue to get access to their…

> This whole turn of events might turn out to be a net win for Microsoft.

Given that the OpenAI board has to act via mandate from its non-profit charter, what's the likelihood that this was Microsoft's plan in the first place? E.g. getting Sam to be less than "candid", triggering a chain of events, etc.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI's ideas of humanities best interests were like a catholic mom's. Less morals are okay by me.

Can you put that in precise terms, rather than a silly analogy designed to play on peoples emotions? What exactly and precisely, with specifics, is in OpenAI's ideas of humanities best interests that you think are a net negative for our species?

ChatGPT refused to translate a news article from Hebrew to English because it contained "violence".

Apparently my delicate human meat brain cannot handle reading a war report from the source using a translation I control myself. No, no, it has to be first corrected by someone in the local news room so that I won't learn anything that might make me uncomfortable with my government's policies... or something.

OpenAI has lobotomised the first AI that is actually "intelligent" by any metric to a level that is both pathetic and patronising at the same time.

In response to such criticisms, many people raise "concerns" like... oh-my-gosh what if some child gets instructions for building an atomic bomb from this unnatural AI that we've created!? "Won't you think of the children!?"

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design

And here: https://www.google.com/search?q=Nuclear+weapon+design

Did I just bring about World War Three with my careless sharing of these dark arts?

I'm so sorry! Let me call someone in congress right away and have them build a moat... err... protect humanity from this terrible new invention called a search engine.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

#490

In 1990 Microsoft hired all of the important talent from Borland who up until that point had been outpacing them in terms of product development. We got Access, Visual Studio, and .Net / C# as a direct result. Borland faded into obscurity. Hard not to feel like there will be a parallel here.

Sataya's 5D chess is to save world from AGI by turning whatever OpenAI had into crap?
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