Would this allow texting without a phone?
My kid doesn’t want a phone but wants to text his friends. Are there any options or will there be after this?
Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#482It would be cool if
They could add features to group chats like adding or removing participants.
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#483What a surprise! I'm quite sure RCS bubbles will be green though, and that's still going to be enough of a difference when it comes to teen groups and even adult dating. The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...
I’ve had a couple girlfriends in their 40s mildly judge me negatively for having an Android phone, but someone who would take that seriously enough for it to affect their relationship decisions is someone I’d rather not be involved with. Maybe it would be better to text people with a “beater” Android phone as a test for how shallow they may be, like the semi-cliche of a financially well-off person driving an old truc…
>> The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...
> I’ve had a couple girlfriends in their 40s mildly judge me negatively for having an Android phone […]
I have an iPhone but don't tie it into Apple services so every fellow iPhone users have green-bubble interactions with me. :)
Over the years/decades I've lived through ICQ, MSN Messenger, BBM, and probably some other proprietary systems. I've managed to avoid tying into any of them so far.
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#484Earlier quoted context omitted.
It has nothing to do with finances. You can buy a perfectly good used iPhone for less than $100. It has to do with taste. Not wanting to date a guy with an Android phone is like not wanting to date a guy because he's a Weaboo.
Based on what I’ve read on reddit/lemmy lately, some people still have the impression iPhones have an air of exclusivity from being more expensive. I agree that of course this isn’t true, though perhaps it was 12 years ago. As far as your second point, well… I guess that’s precisely the attitude I was addressing. I definitely don’t agree that a phone brand is as strong an indicator of personality traits as the exampl…
> . . . some people still have the impression iPhones have an air of exclusivity from being more expensive.
iPhones: so exclusive that hordes of unemployed teenagers have them.
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#485I don't think Google would have even cared about RCS if Apple would just make the bubbles the same color. Kids these days.
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This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…
> This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. But the point to me is that I don't care whether it's "bad faith" or not, just that (again, to me) it's actually the correct point of view. Messaging integration between iOS and Android, in the US at least, is not just fundamentally broken, but the presence of a single Android user in an iMessage group chat can break the experience fo…
> My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is.
I think that point would be stronger if anyone else was open. Google used to run an open messaging service but shut it down as part of their failed attempt to compete with Facebook, and their current professed love of open RCS hasn’t extended to allowing anyone else to use their implementation. Android developers aren’t given access the way they were to SMS, and nobody except Samsung is allowed to use their proprietary E2EE servers.
I think this is basically Apple calling their bluff and telling them that they need to actually release their proprietary work as open standards. I’m sure that will be their argument to regulators.
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Yup. That's exactly what I predict Apple will do. RCS messaging will still have green bubbles. And it will continue to have the same psychological effect as SMS green bubbles do today. I think that's also why GP said there won't be a decline in iMessage usage.
So weird reading this from the transatlantic sidelines, where noone cares one little bit what device a message was sent from.
Because everyone uses WhatsApp, because Apple did not reach enough market share early enough to push iMessage. That's lucky, I don't think europeans would be less susceptible to this kind of psychological manipulation.
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Very much not a trope. I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.
> to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android. The people who were refused dates dodged bullets, then.
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#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
A corollary to that lesson is to not support RCS. I'd have much rather iMessage only open up interoperability with E2EE platforms like signal or even Whatsapp (because Facebook is somehow the lesser evil in this corner of the privacy world).
In theory, E2EE is good until someone you are messaging turns on iCloud backup of messages you sent and now law enforcement can force Apple to give them your iCloud backup - with iMessage
Unless they enable E2EE there: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212520
There’s always a risk that someone you’re sending a message to has been compromised but most of us are never at risk from that, as opposed to things like dragnet data collection or server breaches. E2EE is solving the problems it’s designed to solve, so it’s not a problem that things out of scope are more complicated.
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Very much not a trope. I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.
That sounds like a people problem, not a tech problem.
People rightly criticise social media companies for the behaviour their platforms encourage, and iMessage encourages this behaviour as much as twitter encourages outrage.