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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by MJsGlove »

Zetice wrote: post #240
orochimaaru wrote: post #228

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Because a nation should put its citizens interests first. This isn’t a hard concept. There’s plenty of companies though that don’t do h1b. Major telcos, defense contractors (those are us citizen only), a lot of small hedge funds, etc.

No, a nation should not put just its citizens first, that’s nationalistic garbage. Firstly it presumes a nation decides who its citizens are through some fair system, and secondly it presumes its citizens are somehow inherently more deserving than its non citizens. Anyone who agrees to the social contract gets to benefit from the nation. That’s what a country actually is.

Everything you said is wrong

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by pacerier »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #451
rayiner wrote: post #302

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Yeah, the ego and entitlement of people living in their native country who can’t be sent back at a moment’s notice.

I can't speak for other countries, but I'm not too surprised that you can run into certain cultures of Americans who seemingly have zero regards for the sentiment of others. Maybe it is ego and entitlement, but it's not because they can't be deported.

It's called acreaging. https://www.quora.com/How-do-Americans-live-in-the-worlds-la....

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by pacerier »

nsoonhui wrote: post #206
burnerburnson wrote: post #103

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I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

Here's something I don't understand. If google pays the same regardless, why bother to hire H1B at all?

Because when minwage is established, the market naturally simply adjusts the other parts accordingly.

Sure you pay both $x, but the skill diff can be 10x. USD16$250 can get you a bootcamp coder w zero exp (but w profile/status of citizen cardholder) [1], or someone way beyond 10x that skill who simply can't afford to negotiate.

[1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/haseeb-qureshi-how-to-negoit...

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by 6D794163636F756 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #452
6D794163636F756 wrote: post #423

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I've had multiple coworkers remove comments or reject CRs because there were too many comments. If you foster a culture where comments are discouraged then it's less of an impediment

Is that a culture you want to foster, though?

I can say that I didn't agree with it. But that's what lead devs were pushing. The common mentality among devs is that releasing is more important than building something sustainable.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by pacerier »

onetimeusename wrote: post #329
greatpostman wrote: post #13

Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

My ex gf is here on H1B and so is all her friend group. I feel bad for her situation, it adds a layer of stress but the way they treat the visa is disrespectful to Americans I think. For example, they are generally of the mindset that Americans are stupider and lazier than them which is why they are here. So they will vent their frustrations on Americans by calling us stupid and lazy and entitled because we have citi…

[for engineering circles] To avail, use maths.

Ie, cardholding need be blind to recruiters. Ie, insteadof as the first question [no less], it need be enforceably ILLEGAL to try fish info on it.

In practice that can't be fully done without also blinding a lot of other things. but having Single Market enforced by law certainly will reduce the paygap found today in equal lvl-to-lvl comparisons (top x% vs top x%; differing only in cardholding).

re "vent" "disrespectful"; I contend that those folks actually trying to be assholes are Americans. It's likely the comparison you saw was just done in a neutral and nonhurtful manner/intention, albeit not of PC enculture.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by pacerier »

nec4b wrote: post #460
Zetice wrote: post #447

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When you aren’t the sole owner of the resources being managed. Once you establish a commons, you need a bureaucracy of some kind to manage it.

Like a shareholder company? So they should pay dividends to non stock holders?

No. But they shouldn't restrict sales based on birth / color, and allow everyone to buy-in. The problem here is that people who actually want to join/buy/agree cannot do so.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by pacerier »

thfuran wrote: post #225
paint wrote: post #192

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I know you're joking but some people actually think that way and it's so disgusting. No borders no nations no walls

Where's the joke? The purpose of any government ought to be to benefit its citizens. Certainly there's a moral obligation to not unduly wrong others in the course of that pursuit, but it is contrary to the mission of a government to benefit foreigners at the expense of its own population.

replace the word "citizen" with "consenter" to understand where the mistake is in your argument.
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