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For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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In home school, there is less people and more choice. Choice for whom, the student or the teacher? The teachers are the ones with the agendas, in all senses of the word.

No parent's agenda is for their child to be kicked around by another kid.

Right, because children are never abused at home…

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As a homeschooled kid: Be warned that I heard “homeschooling has changed since we were in school” in the early 2000s, from multiple parents who are now estranged from their adult children. It hasn’t really changed that much - it’s just something parents like to tell themselves to avoid thinking about the experiences their children are missing.

Throwaway for sensitive topic. I came here to write your comment and was thrilled to find it already here. As a homeschooled kid who considers myself damaged as a result, I completely agree. The OP comment is eerily similar to stuff my parents said in the 2000s-early 10s and were totally wrong about. My parents weren't religious at all and were totally in it for academic enrichment. They were all about the "new wave…

> Friends your parents select for you are fundamentally not real friends, and pretending they are fucks up one's ability to form genuine relationships for a long time.

I honestly completely disagree. Of all the friends from my school time, the only ones I keep in contact with, and realistically -- the only ones that ended up having their lives in order -- were the ones my parents selected and approved of. They were prescient in knowing how things were going to go.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Private schools achieve that and have more ability to do so than homeschooling teacher as a service does. This model isn't new and had problems before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capturing_the_Friedmans

If I can find a news article about a public school teacher who molested children will you support shutting those down too?

If I can find an article about a parent molesting a child, will you support sending them to public school?

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I don’t normally comment on this sort of thing (I don’t have kids, am not precisely “normal” (whatever that is) and dislike speaking publicly on sensitive topics, anonymous or otherwise), but this touched a nerve for some reason, so I’ll throw a couple of things out there for you to consider: 1. Parents are not the only ones who push their own desires and beliefs. Thought experiment: how many members of the group tha…

> 1. Parents are not the only ones who push their own desires and beliefs. Thought experiment: how many members of the group that decides the curriculum vote Republican or Independent? Scuttlebutt (unverified by me) is that most folks in US schools and on US school boards are Democrats. Regardless of one’s opinion on political matters, that (if true) would suggest a certain uniformity of thought, and the likely prese…

As anyone who's been part of any bureaucracy knows, stated policy is often different than implemented practice. A lot of the issue with saying things like 'Republicans exercise control over school curriculums, thus the GOP is in charge of schools' misses the point that, regardless of the curriculum, the overwhelming majority of teachers vote democrat, which means -- again regardless of the curriculum --they will inject subtle bias.

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> But beyond that, I've known a fair number of homeschoolers that end up with illiterate children. That's because teaching kids is super hard and real easy to mess up.

Realistically speaking, a large portion of public school graduates are illiterate going off of test scores.

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Just as a counterpoint... I was homeschooled from 2nd grade until sophomore year of high school. I played sports the entire time (was the captain of various teams), had plenty of friends, and was pretty social. Even still, I felt like my social skills were significantly stunted when compared to others my age. It took a long time for me to feel comfortable just hanging out with others because most of my social time wa…

What do you mean by "social skills?" As an immigrant with parents who limited social activity with peers, growing up I felt handicapped by my social skills in some areas (particularly dating, which my parents discouraged up to the moment they started asking for grandchildren). Now I'm pushing 40 with three kids and a real job, I realized I had just learned a different set of social skills. Because I was always expect…

Same... was a 'weird' kid, but had no problem getting a job and keeping it, from a young age... a skill that seemed to escape many of my classmates. I loved talking to adults, and although 'normally' schooled, my parents -- due to them being immigrants -- had very different ideas compared to the mainstream

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The argument about lack of socialization from failure to attend public school might have some basis. But thinking back, I came out of the public schools with some pretty anti social behaviors and attitudes that I picked up there. Being cool is so important at that age in that setting. I often wonder what life would have been like had I been taken out say, age 12 or 13 and given a more solid education to match my natu…

Is public school really that cruel these days? I have a 10 year old, and everyone in her class seems so wholesome and... exceedingly tolerant for lack of a better phrase. Compared to when I was a 10 year old where public school was a Lord Of The Flies thunderdome with bullying, and shoving people into lockers, and fights, and in-groups and out-groups and nerds vs. jocks, all the cruel 80s stereotypes. Sure, there's t…

Excessive tolerance is a form of cruelty.

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This doesn't accurately reflect the reality of the situation. Atlanta Public Schools (my local district) spends $22k per student and average teacher pay is like $60k. Get 7 kids together and you can hire a teacher with 10s of thousand left over for other stuff. Or send your kid into a class room with 20-30 other kids. Some of this is cheating by not dealing with the added expense of special needs kids. But a lot more…

> Atlanta Public Schools (my local district) spends $22k per student If you homeschool, do you get that money back to spend on education?

No, this was more of a hypothetical to the "Silly-con robbing the government to get rich" bit of the GP.

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In home school, there is less people and more choice. Choice for whom, the student or the teacher? The teachers are the ones with the agendas, in all senses of the word.

No parent's agenda is for their child to be kicked around by another kid.

> No parent's agenda is for their child to be kicked around by another kid.

The consequence is that every parent, given a scenario where they feel their kid is being kicked around, will remove their kid from that situation.

That's not a healthy absolute either.

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Home schooling seems so harmful to socialization and such a vehicle for teaching ridiculous nonsense (or just not really teaching much of anything at all) that I think the countries that make it illegal have the right idea. It's even more egregious that some states are, apparently, actually throwing money at completely unregulated "micro-schools" where you are taught by someone with no qualifications whatsoever.

https://www.mrctv.org/blog/not-single-student-proficient-mat...

I don't think putting kids in poor inner cities in home schooling is going to improve math scores if that's your implication.
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