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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by LadyCailin »

webjprgm wrote: post #430
noelrock wrote: post #408

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Spurious enough comparison given there were phones , a developed phone market which was 150m+ globally even at that stage, and demonstrated clear use cases for an iphone (an ipod, a phone and an internet browser combined). Yep it iterated and yep app store really rocket charged it beyond where it was envisaged on day one. But it was also an existing market, albeit one that was at the foothills of its potential. AR/VR…

The potential is to replace computers. In its current version, it is basically an iPad on your face. Look a little forward and it is a laptop on your face. Imagine that the price came down to $1500-2000 in a couple years, now you can buy an Apple Vision instead of a laptop. And you wouldn't need to buy a TV either. So this does have device consolidation potential like the iPhone did and it can tap into an existing ma…

I think this replacing TVs is a really hard sell, except in remarkably niche people. Sitting on the couch together playing Nintendo just can’t be replaced, and apple surely doesn’t want to allow third party inputs, they want an internal app ecosystem, which Nintendo and PlayStation won’t ever do. (Xbox maybe). Laptop replacement, I can buy though. But only some fraction of those, nothing large, and certainly no larger than iPhone market share percentages.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by mrguyorama »

theodric wrote: post #122
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Apple is IMO attempting to brute-force create a market here. Facebook/Meta couldn't do the job - for one, Zuck has no idea what he's doing other than chasing buzzwords, for other, they have destroyed a lot of user trust over the past years. And I'm not sure if the stock could take more billions sunk. Apple in contrast? They deliver a whole different game in terms of quality and capability, and now others will take up…

Yeah I can't wait to spend €11000 so my family can strap a screen to each of our faces and watch movies like that rather than staring at a dumb old TV like some kinda poor people

Movie addicts have $10k 8k 100 inch TVs and thousand dollar Dolby Atmos surround systems.

Which is exactly why they will not buy one of these. It would literally be a downgrade. Movie lovers have better than non-IMAX quality setups.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by mrguyorama »

dmarcos wrote: post #443
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Probably, in person, for the foreseeable future you'll just watch a movie IRL when people are in the same room, and that's fine and I like that. What this will allow is for you to watch a movie with your friends remotely in a way that is compelling. My gf and I were long distance for a few months. It was really hard, but being able to video chat every day really helped. Unfortunately, anything beyond that was difficu…

Have you tried Bigscreen VR? State of the art to watch a movie together in VR

That would require a bunch of my friends to have VR as well, while only one of them has it, because I gifted him my old Vive setup.

I don't even think he installed it.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Tagbert »

duped wrote: post #385
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Counterpoint, there's always been a desire to have a virtual environment as first shown in 80's sci-fi films like Hackers, Johnny Mnemonic, etc; immerse yourself in a system, have it become like a natural extension of yourself. There was someone on here some time ago who showed and talked about his setup, he had been doing his job as a software developer reclined in VR for years at that point. Here's the thing though…

> smartphones didn't have "a" killer app per sè I don't think, but they became part of everyone's daily lives in a really short timeframe The smartphone's killer apps were messages, phone, email and calendar. By the time the iphone came around it was just to eat Blackberry's lunch because it gave us multitouch as the killer interface.

So… multiple killer app.

Vision is a general purpose computing device. There is not really a single “killer app”. The whole concept is flawed

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by eesmith »

kzrdude wrote: post #339
eesmith wrote: post #63

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It's less than one order of magnitude. 4 million vs. 24 million is a factor of 6, not 10.

4 vs 24 million is "about an order of magnitude", if you ask physics. We don't need to be accurate with that expression. And Log_10 (24/4) ≃ 0.78, it's not far away from 1.

Umm, I'm pointing out that 7e can't correctly say 'more than one order magnitude, less than two. So, plural!' Note the "more" and "plural".

Even physicists say that one is not plural.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by eesmith »

pproe wrote: post #80
eesmith wrote: post #63

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It's less than one order of magnitude. 4 million vs. 24 million is a factor of 6, not 10.

I guess in that case you could still say its 0.6 orderS of magnitude... So not entirely false.

It still wouldn't be 'more than one order magnitude'.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by querulous »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #364
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Counterpoint, there's always been a desire to have a virtual environment as first shown in 80's sci-fi films like Hackers, Johnny Mnemonic, etc; immerse yourself in a system, have it become like a natural extension of yourself. There was someone on here some time ago who showed and talked about his setup, he had been doing his job as a software developer reclined in VR for years at that point. Here's the thing though…

the smartphone killer app was that it fit in your pocket and was useable almost everywhere you were

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #456
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The current iPad Pro has an M1 and can be used as a monitor for an ordinary MacBook. I suspect the iPad Pro refresh due this year will have an M2.

The iPad Pro and iPad Air are already on M2

Whoops, I was wrong, the Air is still on M1 and the pro is on M2

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by notaustinpowers »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #362
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The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

Lmao, but the first iPhone was a major improvement over other phones at the time and offered a form of consistence/stability versus the often very experimental models other companies had. The difference here is of course that VR/AR has been thriving already. Apple is late to the game as they are most of the time, but the reactions I have seen so far in YT/Twit comments are the amazed reactions of the tech illiterate…

This device looks to be a monumental improvement over any current consumer AR/VR headset. From the user reviews that've come out so far, they've talked about the very forgiving hand-tracking, the high-fidelity screens, the nearly imperceptible delay from the cameras, how comfortable it is to wear, etc.

For your point about the no virtual objects, what would you want Apple to do? Create an entirely new OS requiring developers to build everything in a purely 3D environment? It'd be DOA if they did that. They have to highlight how EASY it is to port their current apps to VisionOS. Hell, they released Rosetta years before the M1 came out and there's STILL some apps that don't support M1 Macs. They have to make it easy, and allow the developers to decide to flex their muscle on this thing.

iOS apps in the first year or two of the app store looked god awful because no one really knew what to DO with the thing, but now we do. I think VR like this is going to be the same way.

From what they showcased and the initial reviews out right now, this does look to be the most technologically advanced mixed reality headset. But obviously the most technology advanced headset is going to be eyewateringly expensive.

Apple back in the day was always, the customer doesn't know what they want, you have to show it to them. This is going to light a fire under every other headset makers ass that they can't push out headsets with shit camera delays, poor screens, and shody controls anymore and expect to make money.

And you're right, people will eat it up because it's Apple and only they can get away with it. I'm not buying it, I have to afford groceries somehow. But the rich finance bros buying it to show off their wealth bankrolling Apple's R&D for the next few years to make a more consumer-friendly one? Yeah, knock yourself out. I'll buy refurbished one in 2026.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by dosethree »

tpmoney wrote: post #420
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Also GPS maps with that shiny glass dot. You bought a phone, and you got a GPS navigator for free. I had a friend who had just bought a high end Nokia. We arranged to meet for lunch. She got hopelessly lost because Nokia's GPS and mapping were crap. Apple's just worked. Same with the App Store. I'd guess this is going to have some kind of VApp Store. But I suspect what it really needs is plain old MacOS running every…

It’s worth remembering the original iPhone did not have GPS at all. It had google maps for calling up information like you would with map quest, but no turn by turn/live navigation

It had basic geolocation feature though so you could mostly see where you were on a map which was still very useful compared to flip phones
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