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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Interesting ... the d0uche-mobile wins out in the end ...

Impressive technology but wouldn't be caught dead in it. It's a brand thing. Don't want to be associated with the E-kn0b.

If I was buying now, it would be from Hyundai.

However, living in the city, I can't justify either so I'll keep rolling in my 69 Beetle every couple of weeks.

Tip: save yourself a tonne of money and ... just don't buy a car if you don't need it.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

> the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

The one thing I absolutely hated about driving a Tesla was regenerative breaking. They should’ve made it optional.

I loved the Ford Mach-e GT.

Consumer Reports had it as the best EV for reliability.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Small caveat: as an apartment dweller, the way to own and operate my own car is to rent an underground parking space, which will, in time, be retrofitted with a charging plug. On the other hand, that's definitely more expensive than street parking and not everyone will be able to afford it, so your statement is overall correct for the majority of people.

In Europe, street parking is usually more expensive than buying/renting a spot in a garage.

I don't think you can really generalize that easily. Where I live, street parking with a residential permit is way cheaper than renting a spot in a garage, and I know other big cities have similar schemes.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Tesla is first and foremost a technology company. Top notch tech, second-rate car. Toyota is first and foremost a car company. Top notch car, fifth-rate tech.

Toyota recently disassembled a model Y to study it and this is what their executives said: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art. It's unbelievable," "It's a whole different manufacturing philosophy," while another added, “We need a new platform designed as a blank-sheet EV."

I googled for this but couldn’t find a source. Any sources you can share would be great

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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(EU customer here - this colors my impressions also due to different models availability compared to the US or other markets) The specs and price gap between a Renault Zoe (Inexpensive, with consequently low acceleration, top speed, handling and range, but absolutely a joy to use in a city or on short trips - perfect balance of price/specs) and a Tesla M3/MY is quite wide and should allow some other manufacturers to…

I honestly don't get the obsession with top speed and power, and I live in Germany. I do know the top speed of every single car I ever drove (I had a time I travelled a lot for work, and thus ended up with a nice list of rentals). First, the only place top speed has any, theoretical, relevance in Germany. Everywhere else anything above 150 km/h is wasted, I'll ignore track days here. Acceleration is nice, but again e…

> I honestly don't get the obsession with top speed and power, and I live in Germany.

I do live in Germany too and routinely drive above 140 where allowed on the autobahn - it's a pleasure. So yes it does actually impact me, in a very real way.

Additionally:

- Top speed of 220+ means you accelerate from 130 to 160 easily, so you can safely pass the slowpoke ahead while not becoming an obstacle to faster traffic. A top speed of 160 means it'll take you a whole lot longer.

- A car with a top speed of 150 is at its limit at 150. Brakes are sized for that, wheels are chosen with that in mind, you better be going in a straight line, it's gonna be uncomfortably noisy, etc. You have very little margin for anything. One designed to reach 220 or 250 is basically in the middle of its comfort zone at 150, with ample safety margins on every metric and a more comfortable ride.

--Edit: I'd like to add a reference to the lower tier cars to my reply. I quoted the Zoe because my partner has it, so I'm quite familiar using it and it's really really fun in the city, it's perfect. I'm lamenting the big gap between Zoe and Tesla with nothing worth buying in between and the fact that I'm being asked 15-25k EUR extra compared to the Zoe, with hardly more car, which is an awful bargain as you reach the Tesla price with half assed specs. I may not care so much about speed and power (I do, that's another story) but I do care to get something worth my money, and all these other cars aren't.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

> the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day. The one thing I absolutely hated about driving a Tesla was regenerative breaking. They should’ve made it optional. I loved the Ford Mach-e GT. Consumer Reports had it as the best EV for reliability.

Regen braking is optional. You can change it in the settings at any time while parked

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

What's wrong with minivans? I always loved having the ability to haul tons of stuff or people depending on the need.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Imagine if Toyota would've just made a simple, but nicely build electric car 3-5 years ago. Pretty foolish mistake.

but Toyota sells more cars in a year than Tesla has in the past decade? And no, if they made an EV it probably wouldn't be selling like hotcakes, because an EV is largely an irrational choice for most people (looking at you, guys chilling in your cars on top of the Target in Laurel Heights in SF, waiting for that 80% in 30 minutes) and Toyota isn't good at making something super desirable. All that aside, most workho…

Toyota sells more cars in a year than Tesla has in the past decade?

Well they'd just be even more dominate if they sold a fully EV corolla without all the "tech" BS every Tesla comes with.

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