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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by _fat_santa »

Buttons840 wrote: post #358
screye wrote: post #285

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> side-loading of apps on Android 90%+ users are never going to use apks. If this ban kills the network effect (the R0 of the viral infection), then the last 10% aren't going to last long either.

There will be quite a stir in the school after TikTok disappears, and if a few kids still have access, they will get attention and other kids will want to know how. Perhaps a silver lining is that we're helping the upcoming generation understand the importance of controlling their own devices.

Eh...given that Instagram Reels is virtually an identical product, I have a feeling kids will migrate over there. On a side note, Meta is probably signing praises for Montana now.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by kranke155 »

throw3847484 wrote: post #478
kranke155 wrote: post #453

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So? We should allow one and not the other? What about this false equivalency between China and the US? Even in a worse case scenario, data being taken by US intelligence is given SOME form of oversight. If you believe the US and China are similarly free, I invite you to tell me if you feel like you’re as free in New York City and San Francisco as Shanghai or Shenzen. If you don’t think living in those two locations i…

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by nerdbert »

trasz4 wrote: post #461
logicchains wrote: post #109

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>Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries This is the same logic that China uses to ban all western apps. Fortunately in the west, countries don't have rights, people do, and citizens generally have the right to run whatever software they want on the hardware devices they own. Governments that violate such rights get challenged in court.

>This is the same logic that China uses to ban all western apps Except it doesn't. It's just that apps are required to follow local laws, and many companies - like Google - don't want to, because their entire business is exploiting users' privacy.

That's a pretty weird read on why Google pulled out of China.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by scarface_74 »

404mm wrote: post #455
scarface_74 wrote: post #404

If only TikTok had a website at https://TikTok.com that had the same functionality….

My understanding was that the issue stemmed from having the actual app. Or at least that would make sense to me. TikTok has been surrounded by controversies since the beginning - many western countries, not just the US. I may be just crazy but providing geolocation and biometrics of 100M+ US citizens to Chinese government just does not seem like a good idea. Also keep in mind that TikTok has the ability to curate con…

How does not having the app prevent geolocation? If you don’t give the app permission, all they get is you IP address. They would get the same information on the web.

Also, a web page can request your GPS permission just like an app can.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #457
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #273

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Why would Apple do this to help a foreign company? They have nothing to gain except a small amount of app store fees. And they'd piss off a ton of Republican and some Democrat lawmakers, not to mention the 80% of their customers who don't use TikTok. If Apple did do this to help a foreign company (or any company), it would probably fall afoul of the law: https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui...…

They almost certainly don't want to set the precedent of caving in to a sub-national jurisdiction's bills when they don't even have any business operations in that jurisdiction. Because then every state, province territory, etc., in the world will have an excuse. Since there are App Store users everywhere.

This is what lawsuits are for, not preemptive refusal to do business with an entire state.

It's a lot cheaper to code geographic controls (that they already have for national-level jurisdictions) than to only temporarily boycott even only 100k paying App store customers.

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Post by trasz4 »

nerdbert wrote: post #483
trasz4 wrote: post #461

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>This is the same logic that China uses to ban all western apps Except it doesn't. It's just that apps are required to follow local laws, and many companies - like Google - don't want to, because their entire business is exploiting users' privacy.

That's a pretty weird read on why Google pulled out of China.

Because you only know the Google's side of the narrative.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by 404mm »

scarface_74 wrote: post #485
404mm wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding was that the issue stemmed from having the actual app. Or at least that would make sense to me. TikTok has been surrounded by controversies since the beginning - many western countries, not just the US. I may be just crazy but providing geolocation and biometrics of 100M+ US citizens to Chinese government just does not seem like a good idea. Also keep in mind that TikTok has the ability to curate con…

How does not having the app prevent geolocation? If you don’t give the app permission, all they get is you IP address. They would get the same information on the web. Also, a web page can request your GPS permission just like an app can.

I’m willing to bet that majority people just approve all the permissions an app asks for.

Yes, web page can request your GPS as well, that is true. But a webpage won’t be doing it while the user is not actively using the page.

Also remember when Apple introduced origination about reading users’ clipboard and TikTok was one of the first ones that got caught red handed? I’m not iOS developer but I would not be surprised if there was more the app can gain from users devices.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by flangola7 »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #74
flangola7 wrote: post #46

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There's many country level bans by the store and have been for years.

But no sub-national level bans, that are enforced, at least from what I've heard.

At a technological level there is no difference. If there's a reliable mechanism for geo-walling content they can carve up the map however they wish. Nothing says it can only follow national borders.
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