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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by Shish2k »

opportune wrote: post #417
jboy55 wrote: post #410

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Not a perk, if you look at personal info of anyone in your social circle, you are fired, no matter who you are, for what ever reason. If you need to fix a bug, and you need to look at personal info, it is logged and reviewed, go snooping, you are fired. You use your friend as the example for that bug, you are fired. In fact, when I worked there, I was paranoid I'd accidentally look at personal info and get fired, and…

This was from the early days (a few years after scaling out employees), not recently. Thanks for confirming that is no longer the case

For additional sense of timescale - I’ve been there for coming up to a decade, and day 1 of employee onboarding was “you will be fired immediately if you even try to do ” (even looking up your own data at the database level is forbidden, because eg foreign keys could imply a list of who has blocked you, which is not visible in the web frontend)

I’ve never dared test the auditing of the user-data-logs, but I have tested the auditing of the network-logs — when I tried ssh’ing from my work laptop to my personal web server (so that I could run an IRC client there), it took seconds for the security team to react ^^;

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by Shish2k »

kjreact wrote: post #423
devmor wrote: post #294

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That's horrific. I work for a fairly large payment processor and it takes multiple levels of approval and oversight from several levels of management to get time limited access to a production database or client interface - all access being logged and ticketed along the way. The idea that someone could just start looking up transactions for shits and giggles would be unheard of.

> The idea that someone could just start looking up transactions for shits and giggles would be unheard of. What about the DBA maintaining the database? Do they not have query access to the data? How about the devs who are responsible for reporting; do they develop reports using generated test data? It’s naive to believe that data is entirely secure and private. There’s always a level of trust required from employees…

> do they develop reports using generated test data?

… yes? Develop against a test DB, then when you think you’re ready, run against prod with auditing and oversight

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by nosianu »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #372
blackfawn wrote: post #225

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Is there any concern of additional eye fatigue w/ time-of-flight sensors? It's purely anecdotal but I was on a project that involved ToF sensors and and a couple on my desk pointed at me. After some time, I noticed my eyes hurt by the time I got home. The eye pain went away after I stopped having the ToF sensors pointed at my face all day.

News to me. I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum, like 850-950nm or so and really light power ratings. I’ve never heard of anyone fatiguing from it.

> I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum

While I cannot give an exhaustive complete answer I think it is safe for me to at least mention that you don't need to be able to perceive it for it to have an impact. You don't perceive even a fraction of what impacts your body, from radiation to chemicals. The molecules still react to lots of other things that are not part of what the eye is supposed to sense. It's not like everything outside light of the human visual spectrum magically has zero impact and you, or the eye's components, are immune.

Example: UV light.

There also seems to be evidence of flickering lights, causing fatigue, even if you cannot see the flickering.

> I’ve never heard of anyone fatiguing from it.

What did you do to find out? If you didn't research it, there would only be random chance for you to find out, accidentally reading a report or being told, plus paying attention and not filtering it out like what we do with the vast majority of what reaches us.

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Post by sorenjan »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #475
sorenjan wrote: post #219

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From 7 July 2024 these rules will apply in the EU: For all road vehicles (i.e. cars, vans, trucks and buses): intelligent speed assistance, reversing detection with camera or sensors, attention warning in case of driver drowsiness or distraction, event data recorders as well as an emergency stop signal; https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_... Apparently drowsy drivers account for about 100 000…

"drunk or tired" is quite a way of phrasing that if the drunk ones cause 88% of the combined fatalities and the cameras detect the tired ones...

Cameras can detect both, being drunk or drowsy or distracted share a lot of symptoms regarding eye movement etc. The important thing isn't why a driver is impaired, but detecting when they are.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.08978.pdf

https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23363673/volvo-ex90-elect...

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Post by scrollaway »

JohnFen wrote: post #395
robocat wrote: post #337

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> named his company Meta in reference to a fictional dystopia Meta is a normal developer word - like Uber was. I personally never even knew there was a movie called Meta, although it is entirely obvious there should be at least one. Not saying Zuck wasn’t referencing the movie, but I am saying it is reasonably likely that wasn’t the reason.

Uber was a normal developer word?? I don't remember hearing it used in developer circles. As to meta, yes, it's a common dev word. But Facebook is using it as short for "metaverse", which Zuck has admitted to lifting from Snow Crash's dystopian world.

Uber is a standard German word, which was often used in English as internet/gaming slang where you’d today use something like “hyper”, eg “uber awesome” or sometimes in video games “I am uber” (= “I am the best”).

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JeremyNT wrote: post #358
morkalork wrote: post #45

Yikes. So turning private images into memes and posting them internally isn't a fireable offence but union talk is? Such impeccable standards for conduct.

The kind of nonsense described in this story is exactly what I'd expect from an early stage software startup back in the early '00s, when I was first getting started (not in SV, mind). It was common to mock people and create memes for any reason (the Basecamp "foreign sounding name" kerfuffle very much reminds me of this). This kind of culture was unacceptable back then, of course, but the founders and owners were li…

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Post by PestoDiRucola »

bhelkey wrote: post #288
jacquesm wrote: post #190

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> Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. On paper. But there are plenty of examples of companies doing things that they shouldn't be doing.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The important question is: what would the consequences be to a German car manufacturer given similar circumstances?

> what would the consequences be to a German car manufacturer given similar circumstances?

Probably attempted to be hidden in collaboration with the German government like they did with Dieselgate.

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Post by tristor »

varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

> My trust in private companies has been at it's lowest since then and I absolutely do not trust startups to keep my data safe.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but governments aren’t any better. Local government in particular is usually an IT security nightmare.

There was a local government in a state I used to reside in that required folks to have an “alarm license” for their home and fined people for false alarm police callouts. The form to apply required you to give an alarm code for the police, and of course your name, address, and phone number.

Predictably, the database of information was ineffectively secured and basically public on the Internet for years before it was fixed. I don’t recall any burglaries or home invasions happening due to it, but still rather asinine.

At this point in my life I have basically no faith in any institution in society and treat all information I give out as effectively compromised immediately.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by causi »

JohnFen wrote: post #398
causi wrote: post #134

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From personal experience, people will do anything they are physically capable of doing and think they can get away with. Almost nobody I know has the slightest amount of respect for any private data to which they have access. This extends from people in healthcare breaking HIPAA to tell me about how Jane Doe is an idiot who got a mayo jar stuck in her vagina to IT workers showing me John Doe's cringey nude selfies. T…

> Almost nobody I know has the slightest amount of respect for any private data to which they have access. Really? You need to run with a better set of people. It's true that there are plenty of corrupt, terrible people out there -- but it's also true that there are plenty who aren't.

Not by choice, I assure you.
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