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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ouid »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #55
izacus wrote: post #36

I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

There is no justification for putting a computer with 8GB on the market. Not even the most extreme budget computer should be built with 8GB, this is just a scam.

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Post by geodel »

dbg31415 wrote: post #345
slowmotiony wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy. Recently i wanted to get a small mini-PC that would be energy efficient and I could run some AI experiments on. Reading online forums, everyone's like "just get a mac mini, couple hundred bucks and you're golden". I check the apple website and turns out they actually cost almost a thousand euro for the 16GB/256GB model. But its the same with a lot of other electronics to…

> Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy. I remember being upset that the same laptop cost more in Australia than it did in the US, then I realized that it had a lot more to do with Australia's corporate tax rates. Turns out... companies do pass on taxes to the end purchasers. It feels, and I don't mean offense here, that if the EU wants to tell companies which power plugs they can use, and stay heavy-handed w…

Exactly right. This assumption that physical goods can cost about same all across the world is hilarious. Tax policies, interest rates, inflation, exchange rates, local laws etc..etc cause so many things make items priced differently across geographies.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by stateofinquiry »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

to your point, this discussion from a few days ago features quite a few Apple Macs, which" rel="nofollow">https://slashdot.org/story/23/04/02/0058226/ask-slashdot-wha... I thought was telling.

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Post by dylan604 »

airstrike wrote: post #377
varispeed wrote: post #360

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You can't. There is only 1 Mac Mini available with M1 CPU and it only has 8GB RAM - that's for $499 and if you add shipping to Europe and tax, probably it will work out closer to $1000 than $499.

Ain't no way shipping and taxes equal 100% of the product's price

So you're telling me you've never shipped things internationally before? It happens way more than you, especially, would think

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Post by jwr »

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

I run a small self-funded SaaS and work+develop (Clojure) on an Apple machine. Functionality-wise I find it difficult to even consider an alternative (yes, I have used Linux as my main machine, I know the disadvantages very well). Now, as for pricing, lets look at some real data:

* my previous MBP 16" lasted me 29 months, salvage value was around 50%, and the amortized cost was around 42€/month

* for my current 16" MBP (M1) I'm assuming 24 months with similar salvage value, which puts me at around 60€/month

The M1 MBP is a spectacular machine. It's faster than nearly anything else I can get. It's also portable, which means I only need one machine for home, office or travel work. At 60€/month I find it to be a fantastic value proposition and I don't think it's overpriced at all.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just showing that a totally different point of view is possible, especially if you use the machine for work.

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Post by timeon »

giantrobot wrote: post #376
swedishfishes wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the curious Americans, Sweden has about the population of Michigan.

How many Rhode Island's is that? Or maybe more appropriately, how many Library of Congresses?

8.4152×10^7 football fields

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by microtonal »

slowmotiony wrote: post #274
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy. Recently i wanted to get a small mini-PC that would be energy efficient and I could run some AI experiments on. Reading online forums, everyone's like "just get a mac mini, couple hundred bucks and you're golden". I check the apple website and turns out they actually cost almost a thousand euro for the 16GB/256GB model. But its the same with a lot of other electronics to…

Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy.

I did these calculations a while back on various Mac models and the price difference was actually not that large. The US prices are without VAT. Add the 19 or 21% of VAT that is typical for EU countries and it's almost the same. The difference grew a bit, because the Euro became a bit stronger relative to the USD since Apple made their last announcements.

mini-PC that would be energy efficient and I could run some AI experiments on

Don't do that, an M2 has very limited compute. A cheap RTX2060 Super from some years back will be many many times faster when you use Tensor Cores.

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Post by brnewd »

endorphine wrote: post #352
brnewd wrote: post #167

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Yep, still on an 8 year old laptop with no signs of slowing down.

What laptop is it, if you don't mind? Also, what kind of work are you doing on it (if any)?

It's an Acer Nitro VN7 with 1TB SSD and 16GB RAM running Ubuntu 22. Workload is mostly vscode web development (Node.js), Gimp, OBS, VMware player for running macOS to test sites on various iOS simulators. Browsing and watching Netflix. Reasons to upgrade would be battery life and a brighter screen.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by dougmwne »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #384

So its in the interest of every company to squeese wages. To a large degree they've suceeded. But if they all succeed in paying their employees little, noone can afford their products. Tragedy of the Commons, corporate edition. The solution to tragedy of the commons is usually to privatise the commons. Once it's private properly, people take care of it. Clearly that means companies need to privatise workers.

I suppose that might mean paying people in corporate currency. Paying your employee directly contributes to your sales. The employees can trade away the currency, but someone ends up with it and spends it on you.
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