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Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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It is possible to get an apt package, you have to jump through a few hoops but it can be done; I do it every time I install Ubuntu (frequently) because I won't touch that snap shite again. I can't move work off of Ubuntu; it's too embedded now, but I'm looking for something else for home. Switching distro-base isn't so easy when you've been using it for decades though; I tried NixOS but it wasn't comfortable (Nix is…

Would you be interested in a session for me to better understand (and hopefully eventually fix) why Nix was not comfortable? Not looking to evangelize, but to learn about the experience from your perspective.

Hey. Yeah, I'd be happy to, time allowing.

I really enjoyed the results of NixOS with flakes but a couple of things were a little more challenging than I have time for to switch it into my daily driver.

It was that steep curve that stopped me going back to date; I liked everything about it, the community was very welcoming and helpful, the declarative nature, and ability to define my machines' states in Git, the documentation, no complaints except the time I'd need to feel as proficient as I am elsewhere.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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I feel like hunting down drivers hasn't been an issue on Linux for any relatively modern machine I've run in over 10 years. If it really is something that you have had problems with, maybe try PopOS instead of Debian. The restricting non-free repos by default out of principle with Debian can sometimes get annoying when you need to install certain non-free drivers (looking at you Nvidia), but PopOS is a really well-po…

Or another recommendation. If you want all the drivers and you want to run Debian, use the non-free image which I believe they just decided to make it easier to find?

Didn't know that was an option! Thank you! If I only had a time machine to 3 weeks ago. Oh well. Thanks anyways. I'll try that again in a couple of years.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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It is possible to get an apt package, you have to jump through a few hoops but it can be done; I do it every time I install Ubuntu (frequently) because I won't touch that snap shite again. I can't move work off of Ubuntu; it's too embedded now, but I'm looking for something else for home. Switching distro-base isn't so easy when you've been using it for decades though; I tried NixOS but it wasn't comfortable (Nix is…

Manjaro was a very smooth transition from an ubuntu-based system (neon, in fact) for me.

I ran Manjaro on my gaming desktop for a couple of years but I hated KDE, it felt so clunky, always misbehaving compared to Gnome where I've had relatively few issues.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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> They solve problems that arch/pacman didn't start even thinking about. Like reliably updating an installation, that wasn't kept in a tight loop with the upstream repo. So they've decided to degrade the baseline UX because they want to optimize for people who don't keep their system up to date? As someone who has no problem keeping my system fresh, this isn't a use-case I want prioritized in my package manager. > we…

> So they've decided to degrade the baseline UX because they want to optimize for people who don't keep their system up to date? As someone who has no problem keeping my system fresh, this isn't a use-case I want prioritized in my package manager. So, they decided that the update path is always defined, from any state to the latest, without having to update the packages in specific order, where some steps needed may…

I actually don't want a package manager tuned for "my grandma" (the white whale of the linux community). I'm a professional dev, Arch perfectly suits my needs where as Flatpak/Snap... cause excruciating pain every time I'm forced to interact with them (something I go out of my way to avoid at this point).

> Immutable system does not prevent writable /usr/local/bin.

I can't speak to the others, but Nix most definitely does not make /usr/local/bin writable. You have to package up your tools to use them.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

Call me a noob if you like, but I don't like hunting down drivers. Tried to go to debian on my last dev machine upgrade, but reverted straight back to ubuntu. I may be lazy, but I really don't want to hunt down drivers. I'll try debian again next cycle.

Use PopOs. Better hardware and is mostly Ubuntu with lots of the dumb Snap stuff removed. Plus some other cool features.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

Call me a noob if you like, but I don't like hunting down drivers. Tried to go to debian on my last dev machine upgrade, but reverted straight back to ubuntu. I may be lazy, but I really don't want to hunt down drivers. I'll try debian again next cycle.

Give OpenSUSE Tumbleweed a shot. Better than Ubuntu (in my experience) when it comes to drivers. They have the MacBook Pro 2015 facetimehd webcam (which Ubuntu doesn't have) and my brand new Asus Zenbook S13 OLED was perfect right out of the box. It's a rolling release so you get extremely recent packages. And its KDE is amazing (I switched from XFCE, it was so good). I love it.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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The problem with that model is that it puts the burden on the distro maintainers to package every possible application for their distro. And application developers have to essentially wait for each distro to repackage their app before it becomes available on that distro. Or start messing with alternate repositories for each distro they want to support. The old model works for established software, but breaks down a l…

>> The problem with that model is that it puts the burden on the distro maintainers to package every possible application for their distro. That's kinda what the distros ARE. Also, if you're debian based and debian packages are not compatible with your distribution you're actively fucking something up for "reasons" - stop doing that. If an app can't use a standard .deb or .rpm then the distro is doing something wrong…

> That's kinda what the distros ARE.

Yeah but that the worst part of what they ARE and if they didn't have to spend so much time doing that maybe they could do more innovative things.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

Canonical makes decisions based on their own self interest. Not for their users and not for the benefit of the greater community. That's what drove everyone away.

But driving everyone away isn't in their own best interest. They're basically shitting in their own well.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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My favorite experience with snaps is Firefox just closing in the middle of doing something because it wanted to update, and it didn't even bother to check if I was using it first.

This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

> A freaking snap

Here's how to properly install firefox on ubuntu

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d...

and, once you're done:

   apt-get purge snapd

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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post #238

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My favorite experience with snaps is Firefox just closing in the middle of doing something because it wanted to update, and it didn't even bother to check if I was using it first.

This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

This was what made me find an alternative distro. When I say "apt install", I mean "apt install"
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