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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by bestouff »

Gigachad wrote: post #342
foxandmouse wrote: post #155

Is there any way I can interact with a framework laptop before buying it? I've always loved laptop hardware, something about having all the power of a computer to go seems so freeing to me. forever I've been searching for the 'perfect machine' (granted perfect is relative to the time). ThinkPads were my favourite when IBM owned the brand, and since apple switched to intel nothing came close to the complete package of…

Linux is really close to being ready for use in the MacBook now. I have been testing it every few weeks and imo the only thing preventing me using it for work is thunderbolt support and better Bluetooth. Thunderbolt is supposedly in development right now.

I have one. TB is not there, suspend doesn't work (eats battery at the same rate that poweron, often renders wifi, keyboard or trackpad unusable), and many little things still don't work. I have no hope seeing it being usable in 2023.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by yencabulator »

nrp wrote: post #216
tzarc wrote: post #118

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As one of the QMK Firmware maintainers, it's great to see you're going ahead with the customisable side of things even on the input side. Might I suggest engaging with QMK early so that we can avoid the usual manufacturer "hey can you merge this, we've shipped already and forgot to raise the PR until now"?

Absolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.

If you make an ortholinear keyboard for the 13er, you'll have my preorder immediately.

(I have no interest in big laptops. The 13 is probably the physically biggest laptop I've owned in a very long time.)

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by yencabulator »

JonathonW wrote: post #222
BeefySwain wrote: post #107

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https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/qmk_firmware If this is anything to go off of, then it seems like they are going to support embedding full QMK enabled input devices. Extremely exciting!

They're using QMK on their prototype keyboard and numpad input modules (which are RP2040-based internally). The interface for input modules to the rest of the computer is "just" USB 2.0, so you could put just about anything there that'll fit in one of the input module form factors. Although high resolution, high frame rate touchscreens are probably out because of bandwidth constraints (since it is only USB 2.0).

Maybe you could snake a cable to one of the USB-C ports, if you really needed a display there. DIY foldable anyone?

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by kup0 »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #192
kup0 wrote: post #108

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Linus has always been upfront about this investment and I believe some of his content was from before the investment took place. He's explained his reasoning for investing at length and has included a disclaimer in places where necessary. So this is a very uncharitable take. There's plenty of things to cringe or criticize LTT for- but this just isn't it

…I’m not criticizing LTT but hey still got the typical “Linus does no wrong” take. My critique was on Framework not disclosing themselves that their quote is from someone with a stake in their product now.

I hesitate to legitimize your reply with my own, but my take was anything but saying Linus does no wrong and in fact I explicitly stated there are things for which LTT/Linus can be legitimately criticized

Your initial post was a vague enough comment that it could easily be taken to be criticizing LTT for giving a "glowing review" as "someone who invested in the product... yikes" etc etc, not just Framework not putting a disclosure. The latter is something I don't actually disagree with. Had your post had that clarity then I doubt we'd have had a disagreement at all

That said, I think the fact that the review occurred prior to the investment make even that disclosure unnecessary.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by JohnAZoidberg »

hommelix wrote: post #281
nrp wrote: post #50

I’m happy to answer questions that everyone has about what we announced! It may be a little while until I’m able to jump back on though.

Will the QMK based keyboard available on Framework Laptop 13?

No, the architecture of the Framework Laptop 13 is very different. There the keyboard input is handled by the embedded controller: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController/blob...

On the 16 the keyboard is a USB keyboard that could even be used standalone, without the laptop.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by JohnAZoidberg »

komali2 wrote: post #430
gc9 wrote: post #359

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Maybe you mean an 85-key "75% keyboard". It's a popular request on the frame.work community discussion of "The keyboard". On keyboard layouts like Framework's, I still have trouble trying to touch-type the right control key with my ring finger-nail. I prefer a "75% keyboard" with an navigation/editing column which provides room for the right ctrl key further right. (And full size arrow keys. And makes shift-End easy…

If they're using qmkesque firmware you could start programming some interesting new layers to give you functionality like this. I used to require a full sized keyboard so I'd have all this functionality like home and end keys and stuff, and then I started using keyboards with qmk and similar, and now I have all sorts of layers and macros and etc and I seriously can never go back.

The firmware is QMK: https://github.com/frameworkcomputer/qmk_firmware Will be upstreamed before launch.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by komali2 »

JohnAZoidberg wrote: post #486
komali2 wrote: post #430

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If they're using qmkesque firmware you could start programming some interesting new layers to give you functionality like this. I used to require a full sized keyboard so I'd have all this functionality like home and end keys and stuff, and then I started using keyboards with qmk and similar, and now I have all sorts of layers and macros and etc and I seriously can never go back.

The firmware is QMK: https://github.com/frameworkcomputer/qmk_firmware Will be upstreamed before launch.

You say "will" rather than hedging that you'll issue PRs and see if they get upstreamed. Have you all been in conversations with Jack Humbert and co?

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by znpy »

deaddodo wrote: post #298
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #223

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I mean, in a laptop, you dont use the dGPU on battery unless its for compute, period. It should just be sitting there turned off (which indeed means you dont want it). But if its sucking any power, thats a bug. That being said, Firefox and Chromium use the integrated GPU more than you think, and they feel faster with a stronger IGP. Just try disabling some of the gpu acceleration and see how it feels.

That is not how GPU multiplexing works on Laptops. My dGPU most certainly works on battery, though I can directly disable it if I like (or use a power saving power plan).

yes but then again... it's a landmine.

For example, I could disable the nvidia card on my ThinkPad W530, but then i'd lose the use of the external video output (because it was wired to the nvidia card).

and yes i know it depends on whether the laptop has a mux or not... it's not always easy to determine, not all reviews go explicitly over this detail...

I just don't want a discrete graphics card. Not an nVidia one for sure.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by ttanev »

samtheDamned wrote: post #2

Every time Framework is brought up, there's a chorus of people saying they won't buy until they release an AMD edition, and as one of them this is great to see. Edit: Also the input deck and the ability to attach an egpu as well as upgrade to a newer egpu in the future are huge. This is a fantastic leap forward for Framework.

I for one was waiting for a touch screen option as well, but this sounds easier than the AMD part sounded awhile ago. And they will probably add it as an option at some point, their track record for listening to what their users are saying in their forums is awesome so far.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by ttanev »

nrp wrote: post #50

I’m happy to answer questions that everyone has about what we announced! It may be a little while until I’m able to jump back on though.

Hi, first thanks a lot for disrupting a really important market!

Do you plan providing more options for the display assembly in the future (I'm particularly interested into an option with a touchscreen)?

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