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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by uoaei »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #470
uoaei wrote: post #339

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Can you be more specific on how exactly this one-dimensional evaluation of a resolved issue contributes to your argument?

Because who wants to rely on a navigation system which occasionally goes down for nearly a week?

Clearly you have no idea how these kinds of issues are resolved, and how policies are reviewed and modified, following such an occurrence. An abhorrently depressing view on humanity's future that you believe there is nothing that we learned from this. I thought this discussion forum was about our progress toward the future by the virtue of the hacker spirit?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by tdehnel »

defrost wrote: post #447
tdehnel wrote: post #444

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Science? What theory are you testing?

You know that gathering evidence and observational bit? That part. As you asked, you might enjoy: https://www.amazon.com.au/What-This-Thing-Called-Science/dp/... and then move onto Lakatos, Popper, Kuhn, Feyerabend, Musgrave, et al. But for now, baby steps.

You’re being needlessly condescending.

But I think you’ll find it’s a harmless question: What are you gathering evidence for exactly? What is the purpose of your observations?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by edgyquant »

palata wrote: post #436
edgyquant wrote: post #427

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No he’s right and this is brought up here all the time. There are large swathes of America where people don’t have neighbors for miles (sometimes tens of miles) while there are comparatively few places in Europe that meet this definition.

I can't believe that Starlink is counting on those relatively few people to make money. There must be some other stream of revenue, right?

They aren’t, those people are just benefiting from starlink which will make most money through enterprise and government programs.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by edgyquant »

palata wrote: post #472
sebzim4500 wrote: post #471

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Presumably ships/airlines/us military are all a signicant potential revenue source. Only once they get the laser links working though.

Right. So it's not exactly about connecting those who are remote and need it... unless we consider that having access to TikTok on a ship is a fundamental need.

The comment you are replying too never said they were dependent on it. You’ve pivoted the discussion. The poster said Europe doesn’t have rural people by American standards. Revenue wasn’t mentioned.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by frankreyes »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #185
frankreyes wrote: post #182

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Infrastructure has to be self financed otherwise it's a waste of resources. That's why rural areas do not have internet. It fails every time

By this logic they should not have electricity and water pipes as well.

You're moving the goalposts. First came the cities and then came the public infrastructure. 200 years ago none of that infrastructure existed yet cities were already there. That's because there was a need for it, which was self financed.

Then someone had the idea to reverse the cause effect relationship in a way to promote moving people to smaller towns and away from big cities. To the point of Italy selling houses for €1 to motivate people to move back from big cities. It doesn't work.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by frankreyes »

scotty79 wrote: post #366
frankreyes wrote: post #182

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Infrastructure has to be self financed otherwise it's a waste of resources. That's why rural areas do not have internet. It fails every time

Barely any infrastructure is self financed, anywhere.

In Europe sure. That's why Energy is so expensive compared to the USA.

But in general that's not true. In particular, public resources such as electricity and water are installed for a specific planned capacity... the limit of how much resources to install is how much we can pay it back.

Public infrastructure is financed from taxes which is financed from jobs, this there's a cause effect relationship between infrastructure and productivity. That's the very meaning of self financed.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by concordDance »

palata wrote: post #474
concordDance wrote: post #457

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If they were actually illegal then we should see some settlements or court cases resolved over the next year or three. The justice system moves slowly.

He'll get fines ("settlements", I guess), and that will still have been cheaper than going the legal way. In the meantime many people lost their job in an irregular way (w.r.t. their country), and maybe they can't afford it. That's how much responsibilities too rich people have: it's cheaper for them to go the illegal way and screw those who worked for them.

The fines will be handed out in such a way that obeying the law would have been cheaper. That's how things are done in Western Europe.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by t43562 »

troad wrote: post #478
t43562 wrote: post #309

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The flip side of it is exploitative large commercial almost-monopolies which do their best to make you spend money you shouldn't on things you don't need. Markets full of almost exactly the same deal dressed up so many different ways that you don't realise you're going to be stiffed any way you go. Cheap initial prices hide very expensive prices later on etc etc. The amount of effort to evaluate everything and work o…

> The flip side of it is exploitative large commercial almost-monopolies which do their best to make you spend money you shouldn't on things you don't need. Markets full of almost exactly the same deal dressed up so many different ways that you don't realise you're going to be stiffed any way you go. Cheap initial prices hide very expensive prices later on etc etc. Yes, Europeans are fond of telling scary tall tales…

California has a bill right now to do with preventing hidden pricing so you cannot argue that its' not an issue. We also have those problems so we don't need to "be scared by stories in the US" as we experience them.

As for decline....look in the mirror. Everyone experiences it.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by dminik »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #293
dminik wrote: post #288

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There's a few comments in this thread from self proclaimed Europeans, but this one is the weirdest. The internet infrastructure here is great. I haven't seen a sub 10mbps offering in years (with 100mbps being fairly common). The only spotty places are small villages (which is a rather common theme everywhere). Europeans aren't stuck with DSL.

Where is "here"? There are plenty of places in Europe with mediocre Internet infrastructure. It is not universally "great" by any measure.

That's something that has occured to me right after posting, my bad. For context I live in a small-ish town (~50000) in the Czech Republic. However, we have about 5 local competing providers each offering decent speeds. Some have started offering 1Gbps speeds recently (though I'm still on ~600mbps myself).

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by yencabulator »

wyager wrote: post #446
gizmo wrote: post #166

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> IRIS² will be a constellation at the cutting edge of technology, to give Europe a lead, for example in quantum encryption. It will therefore be a vector of innovation. Quantum encryption?? Can anybody explain how this is related to satellites?

You can do QKE via sat-bounce, which is maybe what they're talking about, but this sounds more like clueless hype marketing than something written by an engineer.

I'm sure somebody is making good money with the push.

Meanwhile, previous proponents like NSA are moving to "post-quantum crypto" (as in, non-quantum crypto that resists attacks by hypothetical quantum computers):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_key_distribution#Depre...

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