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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by vbezhenar »

wmeredith wrote: post #137
m0guz wrote: post #50

Insane. Developers are trying to make the best use of Twitter. * https://huggingface.co/deprem-ml * https://deprem.io * https://deprem.basarsoft.com.tr * https://go.ahb.app/guvenliharita * https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1QpICWDVpd3eIScSvaj... * https://depremenkaz.xyz Almost all the info listed on these websites coming from twitter.

This is a tragedy, and it's great that people are trying to help in any way they can. However, building stuff on Twitter's platform seems like utter folly these days.

What's the alternative?

You need the database. It must scale and be reliable.

It must have proper UI.

People must be able to use it without prior learning.

Let's say you create a website from the scratch. You need to use some cloud database. You need to build a simple UI which will work with bad network. You have few hours to do that. You need not to go bankrupt because entire country suddenly will use your app.

Twitter is well known to everyone. Twitter has API which basically allows to use it as a simple database. Twitter is web scale and can handle the load. Twitter has solid battle tested website and apps. And everything is completely free.

IMO it's a unique proposition and nothing compares to it.

If you have enough time, you can build better specialized app, that's for sure.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by slg »

smcn wrote: post #476
slg wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which brings us back to my original point. Algorithms are just a multiplier. If you give people two history books, one with actual history and one with interesting conspiracy theories sprinkled throughout, most people are going to find the one with the conspiracies more interesting. Stopping people from photocopying the book will help slow the spread of the false information in the book, but it does nothing to stop t…

It's a multiplier sure, but this is a completely new issue we're having (at least on this scale). It's caused by social media, that's not really up for debate. You cannot prevent lies or deception, that's not within the realm of what we're capable of. Don't let good be the enemy of perfect.

This isn't a new issue created by either social media or the internet. It is an innate problem with absolute free speech and has directly led to the US entering multiple wars over the last 125 years. It doesn't matter if the lies are disseminated through newspapers, cable TV, or Twitter. Mass media is just an amplification device. That has been true for centuries. The only new aspect is that the rate of amplification is increasing which leads to the underlying issue becoming even more problematic.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by comboy »

mrtksn wrote: post #479
comboy wrote: post #470

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Can anybody elaborate why? I understand if it's financial crisis or some other gov fuckup. But this is a natural disaster on an unprecedented scale, government may not have enough resources to handle it. What's the game here?

Let me try. So Erdogan himself came into power after the 1999 Earthquake devastating the country and wrecking the economy, leading to early elections, leading to his party winning landslide election in 2002. That earthquake was like nothing seen before, hitting the most industrialised and populous part of the country and they had to introduce new taxes like Luxury consumption tax to fix the damage and prepare so that…

Holy shit, thank you.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by mrtksn »

blagie wrote: post #90
can16358p wrote: post #19

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

I don't like using Turkiye in English, it sounds out of place to me. I'm native Turkish speaker.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by xyzzyz »

wgjordan wrote: post #138
rayiner wrote: post #24

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When you use quotes around “Democratic” do you mean the elections are rigged? I’m not familiar with the legitimacy or lack thereof of Turkish elections.

For one nonpartisan quantitative analysis, Freedom House gave Turkey a 32/100 ("not free") score on its 2022 global freedom scale [1]. [1] https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey/freedom-world/2022

Isn’t freedom house the same one who in 2020 gave top scores to countries that literally arrested people for walking around outside? That forbade people from running their businesses and customers from hiring their services?

All of these restrictions on freedom might have been introduced for good reason according to some people, but they very much have been introduced, and very much restricted freedom, so if those don’t count according to freedom house, I can scarcely consider this “quantitative nonpartisan analysis” to be worth much.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by quanticle »

beefield wrote: post #465
quanticle wrote: post #452

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Do you believe every online forum accessible to Americans should have as strict, or stricter moderation than HN, because it's been demanded by a subset of voters?

> I'm happy there are places where speech is not restricted. that means no. Do you want to remove _every_ moderation made by companies/governments in all online forums, including HN?

There's a hidden assumption in your argument that the only way that forums like Hacker News, etc, can moderate is if the government allows it. Else why would you mention governments and private forums in the same sentence?

I support private forums being able to moderate. I oppose governments having that same power.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by smcn »

slg wrote: post #482
smcn wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a multiplier sure, but this is a completely new issue we're having (at least on this scale). It's caused by social media, that's not really up for debate. You cannot prevent lies or deception, that's not within the realm of what we're capable of. Don't let good be the enemy of perfect.

This isn't a new issue created by either social media or the internet. It is an innate problem with absolute free speech and has directly led to the US entering multiple wars over the last 125 years. It doesn't matter if the lies are disseminated through newspapers, cable TV, or Twitter. Mass media is just an amplification device. That has been true for centuries. The only new aspect is that the rate of amplification…

I don't blame you for having a US centric view point but I will say that this issue is affecting far more countries than just the US.

[edit] Sorry, to directly reply: I'm unsure what it is that you would prefer happen? Nothing? It's just the done thing?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by foronetimeonly1 »

efnx wrote: post #403
foronetimeonly1 wrote: post #83

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The Diyanet said "Do not look to social media for hope in finding loved ones, look to Allah". A few minutes later twitter was blocked. I think god is jealous of Twitter today.

…so do nothing and forget about them in other words?

Exactly. "God will save".

Inshallah Tayipp will find himself hiding from 10 million furious Turks storming his 1,000 bedroom palace by the end of the week.

It's time for this criminal go to jail or flee to moscow.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by tradertef »

sokols wrote: post #181
bigmattystyles wrote: post #147

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Erdogan and his ilk single-handedly made me hesitant about donating, that regardless who I donate to, they’ll find a way to line their pockets. I ended up donating, do the same, but Erdogan is a bastard man.

You can donate here: https://ahbap.org/disasters-turkey It's an NGO that currently is crowdsourcing donations for the relief.

+1 for Ahbap. It is a grassroots organization with not much religious and political agenda.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by 8note »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #68
golergka wrote: post #39

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This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

These companies are already in the dark deep of hyper partisan censorship. Take reddit for example. Nearly every sub is a left wing echo chamber, with essentially the same comment being made, and opposing viewpoints hidden, shadow-banned, or deleted under the guise of 'disinformation' even if they are factually accurate. Some of it is partly driven by liaisons within US and other governments, and supported by media.…

Reddit is pretty right wing overall.

Stuff like /r/shitredditsays exist/existed to point out reddit being misogynistic, and capitalism is the name of the game for all the large subreddits.

I don't think you'll find a large subreddit that is actually leftist. It's just centered on what the population thinks, both for overall trends and for the reddit user base.

This doesn't match US politics because US politics don't match popular opinion, driven instead by the arbitrary layout of states and congressional districts

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