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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by zabzonk »

siva7 wrote: post #473
davesque wrote: post #289

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Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

Microsoft has fucked with Xerox in the 80's. Now they're doing the same with Google.

please explain re bell labs or xerox

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by 6510 »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Easy now m8! They only just convinced me to type my first query into it.

Lets just try....

> will bing overtake google

Related searches looks interesting.

>>bing overrides google

>>how to prevent bing from taking over

>>bing is taking over my computer

>>bing has taken over my search engine

>>google keeps going to bing

>>alternatives to google and bing

>>why is bing taking over my browser

>>i don't want bing i want google

I have to say I'm impressed.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by angry_moose »

unshavedyak wrote: post #104
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Yea i've never thought of using Bing. In fact i generally hate my Windows experience and vastly prefer Linux. Yet when this goes live i'll be there, trying it out, seeing how ChatGPT can integrate into my searches, answer questions, etc. After all most Searches i execute are either direct questions or questions by proxy. I want to understand a specific function signature. I want to see the inputs, etc. This has been…

Even before this I had started using Bing a lot more than I used to.

Anecdotally I think Bing is still a little dumber, but Google has been so overrun with SEO spam that its pretty much useless anyway.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by edgyquant »

lottin wrote: post #433
sn0wf1re wrote: post #393

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It reminds me of the Tiktok vs Youtube comparison. Ad revenue was way higher on long format content, but the success of Tiktok means that Youtube now has to pay more to creators, even if their margins are lower. AI as search is lower margin but Google will need to implement it just to stay relevant.

Tiktok succeeded because it offered something that the public wanted. I don't know that a chat bot is something that the public wants. I know I have no use for it.

Judging by the reaction it would seem you’re in the minority here

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by mrtksn »

huijzer wrote: post #437
fnikacevic wrote: post #334

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Might become the largest case of the innovator's dilemma ever.

It sounds more like Counter-Positioning (details, e.g. [1]) by OpenAI/Microsoft. Google cannot compete or it would attack its own main income stream and risk losing income very fast. But if they wait, then people learn to work with Microsoft/OpenAI which would hurt them in the long run. Counter-Positioning creates an impossible situation which brought many giants down including Blockbuster. [1]: https://www.lukethoma…

It would suck for Google to make $20B from AI Chat instead of making $160B in Search, it wouldn't suck for Microsoft to make $20B from AI Chat instead $2B in Search.

If the AI assistants live to the promise, Google is screwed even if they make the best and most popular one.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by WorldMaker »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #257
basch wrote: post #209

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[ended up with a duplicate half comment. see above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34698426 ]

Microsoft using blink/chromium is a good thing IMO. Once Apple is forced to open up iOS to other browsers, the blink/chromium monopoly will be complete. The only check on Google's ability to dictate what a web browser is will be the influence of companies like Microsoft, who are invested in blink/chromium and have the resources to potentially fork it if Google does something they don't like. I would not be surprised…

Your "dream" there fuels some of my nightmares. You may discount the potentially devasting threat of a possible massive ecological collapse from relying on one single implementation of web rendering because you don't think open source projects can die because "someone has the resources to potentially fork it", but open source is no guarantee.

Beyond that, even discounting the threat of ecological collapse due to a single codebase, most of the web's best standards have come from lessons learned from multiple implementations. Without multiple implementations we lose a lot of guide rails away from bad single vendor "standards". Even if you think downstream players like Microsoft can act as a big enough check on Google's rubber stamp in standards boards like WHATWG, there's a huge difference between Microsoft developers evaluating potential standards because they have to build their own implementation of them versus just reading them in code review to accept an upstream PR they didn't need to write themselves.

Also, as close to a single implementation as WebKit and Blink still sometimes are, it's hard to argue that Apple isn't already still a contributor to the WebKit/Blink/Chromium Hegemony. It doesn't matter if iOS opens up to other browsers or not right now while WebKit and Blink are still so close to mostly not matter. Apple is sort of protecting everyone from a true V8 (JS Engine) monopoly, but the renderer has always been close enough to not matter to those terrible web developers only testing websites in Chrome and assuming they work "everywhere" and supporting a "Works Only in Chrome" agenda.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by hiq »

benob wrote: post #447
zzzeek wrote: post #324

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they'd have to get ChatGPT to stop spewing up made up bullshit and fake academic citations first, which I think is a bit of a bigger problem than many seem to be considering. the outcome will still be hilarious though, so it's win win for the onlookers I guess edit: all the responses here who think the garbage is "just fine, at least it's not SEO" are similarly hilarious. as though SEO would not be polluting the AI a…

People have been grounding LLMs with internet searches for a few months: WebGPT: Browser-assisted question-answering with human feedback https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.09332

From the abstract:

> This model's answers are preferred by humans 56% of the time to those of our human demonstrators, and 69% of the time to the highest-voted answer from Reddit.

These are very interesting metrics.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by cdomigan »

jimrandomh wrote: post #135
dwohnitmok wrote: post #63

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What jimrandomh is talking about is not just whether megacorps use AI for good or bad, but what happens if an AI starts doing damage outside the control of anybody. That could happen regardless of democratization if advancement occurs too quickly without thinking about AI safety.

Exactly. To flesh out the details a bit, an example of how this could go is: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kpPnReyBC54KESiSn/optimality... .

This seems terrifyingly plausible
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