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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by _cenw » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

fallingknife wrote: post #376

_cenw wrote: post #285

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As an affected individual: Public discourse on this issue is plentiful and, unfortunately, usually full of wrong information, misconceptions and "my favorite scientist said otherwise" (probably on the JRE, against a dozen or so professional medical associations) gotchas from exterminationist groups that get invited on to have a "balanced" conversation. Transgender people do not have large political or economic impact…

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> I know of no such "exterminationist" groups.

I should have used the word "eliminationist". This is a modern way to say "genocide by social death". The GOP already attempted to introduce a federal bill that would redefine the act of being trans as sexual, which would bar trans people from essentially every public place where minors could be present.

Dame Magazine has a good high level overview:

https://www.damemagazine.com/2022/03/15/trans-people-are-in-...

And here's some academic reading on this (and also why it's called genocide despite nobody being killed in the streets, common misconception):

https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1...

One such organization is the Heritage Foundation, who are behind the push to remove queer literature from schools.

https://translegislation.com/bills/2022 has a great overview aside from that.

> I have never heard someone advocate for the death penalty transgenders.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2022/3/29/ex-gop-candidate...

(also, transgender is an adjective, you don't plural it)

> I only ever hear about such things from people who are against debating people on the trans issue, because they label the people they are debating against as such.

That's an issue with your bias and possibly with the media you consume, I can't help you with that.

> This strategy doesn't help your cause.

I have learned that those who are easy to compromise on their stance over optics issues weren't true allies to begin with. Gains in LGBTQ rights have historically never been achieved through appeasement.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by rittle » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #459

nomel wrote: post #339

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> repeatedly entertaining It can appear this way, on the internet, but it could be that the individuals asking the question are entertaining it for the first time. I know this is what happened to me, with unrelated topics. You can’t reason with the mob. They aren’t interested.

If you aren't willing to go take the time to educate yourself on the topic (there are ample resources to do so) then it is not our responsibility to educate you about trans people. Trans people are a rarity, so they tend to have to field the same like 20 questions a million times over. They just want to live their fucking lives, not answer truly ignorant questions about their genitalia from people who didn't put in e…

Attitudes like this are why people will listen to the TERFs instead, as they're always willing to talk about trans-identifying males are eradicating female-only spaces, and so on.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by malcolmgreaves » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:37 PM UTC

twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

Is this....a weird way to say that you want folks to have the ability to (checks notes) make transphobic comments and prevent other people from reacting?

> but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator?

How is making transphobic remarks appealing to the opposite of the LCD of society. It appears that you are claiming some sort of social or moral superiority....to a person that makes hateful comments about someone's sexuality.

> How can we take social issues that are already difficult within the same family unit and have a well-adjusted conversation about them at least in the public arena?

Nothing about this story has anything at all to remotely do with a "conversation".

> Maybe it's always been missing. I saw a commercial on TV yesterday, literally suggesting that telling someone they left their Starbucks on the roof of their car as they drive off is a heart-felt touching moment.

Look, a corporation making an advertisement to emotionally effect you isn't evidence of "look at what I think is wrong with society today." I hope that this isn't lost as some sort of personal attack. Just take a step back and ask yourself why you thought it was a "heart-felt touching moment" vs. just "common decency." (Maybe it's because Starbucks wants to keep that ad in your head for longer! They are indeed hyper-effective at getting people's money all around the world!)

If you want to have a conversation about transphobia, maybe ask yourself what is your personal goal. It is problematic if you envision yourself to be the center of something that, honestly judging by your writing, most likely does not affect you in the slightest. If you're not trans, it's probably best to stay out of it and don't try to stop the cultural and social changes that trans folks are advocating for.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by rittle » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

yesco wrote: post #479

mynameisvlad wrote: post #393

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What even is this argument? “Your life admittedly sucks but I think you blow it out of proportion so I can’t feel empathy for you”

No, it's just that whenever they seem to be brought up in discussion aggressive "supporters" come out of the woodwork, over dramatically act like the world is ending over the smallest things and misrepresent my arguments with the most bad faith interpretation on purpose. Like you are doing now. It's hard for me to empathize with a group that increasingly looks less like a marginalized group, and more like some fanati…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by roughly » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

harvey9 wrote: post #419

crote wrote: post #355

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The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

Here's a paper which suggests that the medical part might not be solved https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... "Conclusions Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffic…

How do those rates compare to people who were not allowed the reassignment?

"Trans people have a higher rate of suicide than the general populace even after reassignment" isn't disproving either the 'innate' or the 'societally-driven' risk model here.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ekleraki » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

thatswrong0 wrote: post #467

ekleraki wrote: post #444

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The word "fascist" was used to refer to a person who supports authoritarian regimes that attack minorities, education, reproductive rights, freedom of speech whenever they do not like said speech. I used it to refer to people in support of creating lists of "unwanted" people [1], I used it to refer to people in support of banning books that stand against their ideology. In your overly condescending and infantilising…

> you may be okay with a small segment of the population dying at the hands of definitely-not-fascists I'll just uh.. reiterate my comment from above in hopes that there's some level of introspection possible here: > The problem I'm seeing is that with some regularity, people are being designated as "intolerant" for simply asking questions, deviating slightly from the most up-to-date acceptable opinion, or just not k…

As the other comment said, there's difference between JAQing off and genuinely asking questions.

If you wish to ask questions, there are places where you can very much do so, like r/honesttransgender. You can read papers on the topic, you can read experiences, and you can pose questions in a manner that isn't antagonizing people.

If you wish to blame somebody for the "intolerance" towards the "just asking questions" rhetoric, there are plenty of "news" anchors that cause mass hysteria and purposefully misrepresent information to push their ideology.

Matt Walsh "just asked questions", while supporting, and condoning violence against trans people. Shapiro "Just asked questions", and so does Carson or whatever that guy's name is.

So now trans people have to justify their own existence as people and live in fear because of said people who "just ask questions".

You see, if you wish to learn, there is a time and place for it, antagonising people who genuinely fear for their life by using the same rhetoric the above people used to fuel a rabid and bloodthirsty base you are showing that you don't actually care about people, or at least that's the impression that you are giving.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by roughly » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

notch898a wrote: post #472

roughly wrote: post #360

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Research on youth suicide rates shows an extremely high correlation with the family and social environment, in that family support and at least some welcoming spaces dramatically lower suicide rates among trans youth. The Trevor Project collects research on these lines: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-abo...

Looked at the page. Says: LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society. This is a remarkable claim that demands proof. This seems to be a well thought out, researched, website therefore it can't be some oversight that they just spout this without evidence.

There's a lot of proof linked from that page. I presume you've read it all and have some specific disagreement?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by malcolmgreaves » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

notch898a wrote: post #472

roughly wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Research on youth suicide rates shows an extremely high correlation with the family and social environment, in that family support and at least some welcoming spaces dramatically lower suicide rates among trans youth. The Trevor Project collects research on these lines: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-abo...

Looked at the page. Says: LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society. This is a remarkable claim that demands proof. This seems to be a well thought out, researched, website therefore it can't be some oversight that they just spout this without evidence.

> how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.

You want someone to academically prove this concept to you? It is basic, as in fundamental, to human psychological safety and thus physical survival. Not everything true exists in a report.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by paulmd » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #365

paulmd wrote: post #352

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> 2 girls flashing still got a warning, one drunk dude with his pants falling down resulted in a 24h ban. 15 years and people are still confused about this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmmAdbDF1xA

Twitch rules have nothing to do with FCC rules

To be technical, neither does the linked video ;)

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by braingenious » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

ketzo wrote: post #246

braingenious wrote: post #179

It’s kind of funny how whenever an account on a privately-operated website gets banned for violating that website’s clearly stated rules, it instantly becomes a referendum on Cancel Culture and Lowest Common Denominator and Woke Mob etc. People are forming entire worldviews around being oppressed by The Mods these days, and so many people happily clamor to reinforce their position that they are The Victim Of Culture…

I agree. I’ve literally seen the word “mob,” like, 5 times in this thread already. I think… it’s just an overzealous application of a policy? I don’t really think there’s a woke gang on this one.

Seriously, it’s a bit tiring hearing all of these people describe the dangerous and torturous violence of “not getting an arbitrary bit of content for free at the instant that they want it”

Also, why do none of these persecution victims let me post on their personal websites? >:(