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Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Post by jacktribe »

kqr2 wrote: post #475
jacktribe wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will do. If anyone is in the LA area and wants to check it out, it's Awakening Coffee in Inglewood. I'm there most days since we've just opened and there are many things to be sorted out. Come say hi.

Guessing it's this: https://awakening.bar/

Yep. Didn't want to share it because it's embarrassing how taped together that page is, but I had to put something up in an afternoon, because in the absence of a website people were taking photos of the menu on the iPads to take home.

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Post by sph »

TylerE wrote: post #415
parallel wrote: post #405

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Is this where cryptocurrencies come in? The convenience of a cashless transaction without the tracking.

Uh? I got bad news for you. Crypto is by far the LEAST private method.

But it's not a monopoly skimming off my purchases either.

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Post by thepasswordis »

I’ll offer some dissent. I like tipping because I usually tip a lot, and it causes the staff to remember me and go above and beyond.

During the covid pandemic instacart times would go as high as several days, but if we would tip $100 or so, we’d get our delivery within hours.

I like free markets, and I like being able to bribe service workers. In fact, I wish there were more people I could tip.

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

kbos87 wrote: post #470
jacktribe wrote: post #99

I've just opened a coffee shop in Los Angeles last month, and we don't take tips. We only use self-ordering iPads (I've custom coded an iOS app w/ Stripe Terminal for it), and we don't accept cash either. We've had a few customers baffled by the no-tipping policy, and still insisting that they leave a tip. Some even left cash on the counter or on the table. We had to chase a few of them down to return their money. Al…

I am really of two minds about this. On one hand, yes, the suggestion that I leave a tip and the amount suggested has ballooned to a ridiculous level in some businesses. On the other hand, I recognize that there are plenty of businesses that still don't offer a way to tip at all (Starbucks until very recently), and more importantly, that none of these employees make anywhere near a living wage. Having worked service…

> Just one example is that their daily coffee is subsidized through the misery of minimum wage coffee shop employees.

Your everything is "subsidized" by low wages of people living in third world countries. US coffee shop employees aren't quite near the bottom of that hierarchy.

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Post by xp84 »

kbos87 wrote: post #470
jacktribe wrote: post #99

I've just opened a coffee shop in Los Angeles last month, and we don't take tips. We only use self-ordering iPads (I've custom coded an iOS app w/ Stripe Terminal for it), and we don't accept cash either. We've had a few customers baffled by the no-tipping policy, and still insisting that they leave a tip. Some even left cash on the counter or on the table. We had to chase a few of them down to return their money. Al…

I am really of two minds about this. On one hand, yes, the suggestion that I leave a tip and the amount suggested has ballooned to a ridiculous level in some businesses. On the other hand, I recognize that there are plenty of businesses that still don't offer a way to tip at all (Starbucks until very recently), and more importantly, that none of these employees make anywhere near a living wage. Having worked service…

> none of these employees make anywhere near a living wage

> the misery of minimum wage coffee shop employees.

i don't know, TONS of people make way less than baristas and other counter-service workers. Lots of the customers of those baristas make similar wages as they do. Why does the barista deserve that money more? The maids at a hotel make less than a Starbucks barista, and there's no way they get significant tips especially at the cheaper places.

Tipping baristas and other counter-service workers who are NOT paid below minimum wage might make some progressives feel generous and virtuous, but it isn't solving any problems in a fair and equitable way. It's raising people's expectations -- in CERTAIN occupations only -- that they deserve $2 per customer for setting a cup on a counter and hollering your number.

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Post by jhoechtl »

Tipping in central europe work fundamentally different compared to the US. I never do the math 'what are roughl 10 percent' instead round up to a meaningful amount. It is certainly less than 10%.

If you don't tip its because you were not satisfied with the service. Sure, recipients expect it and will look at you in dismay if you don't.

In countries like Italy or spain it's not common at all.

I tip more of late as unfortunately the US habit of earning less than being able to make a living became the rule and so service personell is dependent on the extra cash.

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Post by andirk »

eastbound wrote: post #308
barbariangrunge wrote: post #241

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I wish you would take cash. Every other method of payment gets tracked and is used to profile people

There are only 39.8 billion US banknotes in circulation, it can easily tracked in a Postgres database, banknote numbers when it exits the ATM, banknote numbers when they are redeemed by the baker, or by your drug dealer of choice, banknotes are only in circulation for one or two exchanges before coming back to a bank, it’s very possible that they are tracked to identify curious loops in circulation. In fact, if they…

Easily? Tracking a credit card transaction is probably by far the easiest way to track money. And cash being the most difficult. And crypto being both easy and difficult depending on how it's used.

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Post by LAC-Tech »

ddyevf635372 wrote: post #306
jacktribe wrote: post #99

I've just opened a coffee shop in Los Angeles last month, and we don't take tips. We only use self-ordering iPads (I've custom coded an iOS app w/ Stripe Terminal for it), and we don't accept cash either. We've had a few customers baffled by the no-tipping policy, and still insisting that they leave a tip. Some even left cash on the counter or on the table. We had to chase a few of them down to return their money. Al…

There isn't any tip in New Zealand and Australia. Everybody get proper salary. The service is always exceptional. How is that possible?

The service is not always exceptional - what are you talking about? It's sometimes good, sometimes bad, the same as anywhere else on earth.

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Post by xp84 »

TylerE wrote: post #403
jacktribe wrote: post #99

I've just opened a coffee shop in Los Angeles last month, and we don't take tips. We only use self-ordering iPads (I've custom coded an iOS app w/ Stripe Terminal for it), and we don't accept cash either. We've had a few customers baffled by the no-tipping policy, and still insisting that they leave a tip. Some even left cash on the counter or on the table. We had to chase a few of them down to return their money. Al…

I find forced (or even strongly encouraged) rating even worse than tipping, especially given the inevitable anything less than 5 stars might as well be zero attitude.

Seriously. It's like if you had an insecure partner who incessantly asks you 10x a day "How do I look?" and if you say ANYTHING other than "FANTASTIC!" you know they're going to react really bad.

Except it's worse since if you ever give an honest answer it's not you they'll berate, the bosses will just flagellate their underlings who might not even be truly responsible for the "low" rating.

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