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Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by bostonwalker »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #157
bostonwalker wrote: post #90

> Clinical psychologist Camilo Ortiz, a professor at Long Island University-Post, began noticing a few years ago that some of his young patients, mostly children being treated for anxiety, would “fold very quickly” at the first sign of adversity This is a perfect description of someone I met recently on a road trip with friends. From our first encounter he came off as feeling miserable and sorry for himself. He didn’…

> Instead of confronting him and hurting his feelings we let him keep driving and we would shoulder check for him. Very dangerous and we knew it. Sounds like you guys also folded. The mentally and emotionally resilient thing to do would have been to not endanger multiple lives for the sake of this anxious person’s pride.

I agree, I think my friends and I were suffering from the same fear of confrontation that the article attributed to the younger generations. Learned a lot from this experience too.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by solarmist »

mro_name wrote: post #344
rychco wrote: post #221

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The stereotypical American helicopter-parent/soccer-mom can be viewed as a direct result of poor zoning practices & the resulting suburban sprawl. A typical child is completely incapable of going anywhere without the guidance of a car-driving parent. It is unlikely, either on foot or bike, that they are able to get to school, get to/from sports practice, meet with friends, shop at local stores, run errands, have a pa…

autonomous mobility is huge for kids 6-12. It helps if they have not previously perceived the world only through a car window.

This is a super big point. A lot of autonomy is realizing that you can do things and having experienced various ways of transportation makes a huge difference.

If you never rode the bus or subway growing up they’re very intimidating to get used to.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by giantg2 »

syzarian wrote: post #458
giantg2 wrote: post #453

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I did read. It has outdated information. Appeal to authority? Any real argument behind that? You comment about black teenagers is not a cogent argument. Walking is not a crime. Show me otherwise. The one that's more reasonable to believe is the one where kids have their noses in phones and aren't independent enough to go out on their own. " Fairly rural neighborhood " and " rural town ". Rural, but in the context of…

Appeal to authority is not an argumentative fallacy. Appealing to a false authority is. For instance, appealing to the authority of a Ph.D. in quantum physics is perfectly fine to do when the topic is quantum physics. Appealing to that same authority about the law is not. It appears your understanding of what “trolling” is mirrors your understanding of argumentative fallacies.

Here we go again, misinterpreting me uncharitably. I never said it was a fallacy. It's a weak basis for an argument.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

yucky wrote: post #479
BeFlatXIII wrote: post #476

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Why do you insist on missing the point? I never said they have no agency to solve their problems, only that they did not create the lion’s share of the problems.

The problems are mostly self-inflicted. Nobody is forcing them to all move to the same 5 cities and then wonder why houses are so expensive there. Nobody is forcing them to spend their lives on social media despite every study showing the negative impact it has on their mental health. Nobody is forcing them to self-isolate into echo chambers and remove key support from friends/family etc. due to misaligned beliefs or…

Fair points, especially on the “same five cities”. That’s what sorting job markets by raw salary combined with wanting “culture” gets. Compare relative salary to CoL instead. That and restrictive zoning to keep property values up so the geriatrics don’t retire in poverty.

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Post by jjav »

syzarian wrote: post #443
giantg2 wrote: post #422

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I'm not talking about truly rural areas. I'm talking about suburbs and developments where a significant number of children live. Living in town is in fact suburban or even urban depending on the density. Honestly the walking thing is BS. CA was the last hold out. I believe all states now take the reasonable approach of it only being a crime if you impede traffic, or if you choose to walk in the stret when there is a…

The walking “thing” as you put it was clearly not read by you. I think the author of the paper knows more about it than you. If you think walking isn’t criminalized in America then go out for a walk in an affluent white neighborhood with 4 black teenage boys and experience it for yourself. We can believe the children of the nation lack imagination or that society has evolved in such a way that discourages walking and…

> If you think walking isn’t criminalized in America then go out for a walk in an affluent white neighborhood with 4 black teenage boys and experience it for yourself.

I feel like you answered it yourself in the opposite way. Walking isn't criminalized, the problem is the systemic racism in the US.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by thebigman433 »

granshaw wrote: post #255
thebigman433 wrote: post #247

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I teach outdoor ed for a program where kids come for a week at a time, so I get to see thousands of kids per semester. I would very much agree with this statement. Overall, Ive experienced that today's youth is largely very empathetic and kind, much moreso than I was as a kid, but anxiety absolutely plagues them. A very notable exception to this is the rich/well off kids Ive been with. They very much do not show the…

But I bet the wealthy kids have far less anxiety too?

This is mostly a mixed bag. Less kids with obvious outwards anxiety, but quite a few that share things that definitely lead you to believe they will have anxiety if they dont already.

I would say generally the big differentiator is that the kids who are meaner/less empathetic are the ones with less anxiety, regardless of wealth status.

Overall though, anxiety is definitely just a massive problem among youth.

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Post by gardenhedge »

NERD_ALERT wrote: post #480
gardenhedge wrote: post #472

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You're just proving the point of this thread with the hostile question "Have you ever been outside?". Your life is not representative of the lives of others.

The burden of proof is on the people making these claims that entire cities/cultures are overrun with SJWs screaming about pronouns. If what they claim is true, it’d be pretty unlikely that my personal experience is what it is.

SJW do get their knickers in a twist about pronouns. Do you disagree or agree?

Now you've introduced the part about entire cities being overrun so I'll leave that to you.

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Post by syzarian »

giantg2 wrote: post #483
syzarian wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appeal to authority is not an argumentative fallacy. Appealing to a false authority is. For instance, appealing to the authority of a Ph.D. in quantum physics is perfectly fine to do when the topic is quantum physics. Appealing to that same authority about the law is not. It appears your understanding of what “trolling” is mirrors your understanding of argumentative fallacies.

Here we go again, misinterpreting me uncharitably. I never said it was a fallacy. It's a weak basis for an argument.

Appealing to authority is not a weak basis for an argument. It’s as if you don’t understand the role of expertise. Almost everything you know comes from knowledge discovered by experts. I suppose when you read a paper you don’t like sources being cited.

I didn’t uncharitably read what you wrote. You asked if I had a real argument to give because, apparently, you think getting knowledge/facts from an expert and citing said facts is not a real argument. The only reasonable interpretation of what you wrote is that you think citing an expert in their area of expertise is not a valid (“real”) arguement.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by syzarian »

jjav wrote: post #485
syzarian wrote: post #443

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The walking “thing” as you put it was clearly not read by you. I think the author of the paper knows more about it than you. If you think walking isn’t criminalized in America then go out for a walk in an affluent white neighborhood with 4 black teenage boys and experience it for yourself. We can believe the children of the nation lack imagination or that society has evolved in such a way that discourages walking and…

> If you think walking isn’t criminalized in America then go out for a walk in an affluent white neighborhood with 4 black teenage boys and experience it for yourself. I feel like you answered it yourself in the opposite way. Walking isn't criminalized, the problem is the systemic racism in the US.

Walking is not criminalized as in there is a law specifically stating its criminalization. Clearly I’m talking about effects of laws designed to discourage walking. I cited a source from a law professor that goes into this in some detail.
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