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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by joe_the_user »

dmw_ng wrote: post #453
eastdakota wrote: post #391

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

Watching company employees consistently pop up on critical threads (not fingering CF here, many including at least Stripe come to mind as frequently occurring too) feels a lot like gaming the forum. Vetted messages like this from a recognizable source will often end up pinned to the top of the thread, but I don't really think they overly contribute to the conversation in most cases, and I find myself wishing there wa…

It seems fair if people can reply to those posts, as you have done.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by rejectfinite »

kevingadd wrote: post #356
rejectfinite wrote: post #237

Cloudflare is a private busniess and can refute service ofc, but should the owner not get some notice of the termination to move to another service in time?

If you want a termination notice you should work with a hosting provider that guarantees one in their terms. I wouldn't be surprised if most providers have special clauses that entitle them to cut you off instantly, though. There are probably cases where law enforcement would demand that they do it anyway.

>There are probably cases where law enforcement would demand that they do it anyway

Yes but here Cloudflare claims that law enforcement was "too slow"

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by rejectfinite »

yieldcrv wrote: post #407

I feel like I'm missing something so what exactly happened on Kiwifarms website in response to the deplatforming campaign on Twitter? how could Cloudflare write that entire justification without giving an example to someone that wasn't following the drama? To me it looks like Cloudflare arbitrarily took someone down specifically after writing that they wouldn't, in the same blog entry.

>so what exactly happened on Kiwifarms website in response to the deplatforming campaign on Twitter?

We dont know.

Being that Kiwifarms is an open forum, and I assume Cloudflare has computers, they could show us the proof, but it is actually in their best interest not to. Now anyone can make their own fantasy what "dangerous content" is.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by notatoad »

cowtools wrote: post #460
notatoad wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>rather than free speech i encourage anybody who is calls themselves a "free speech advocate" to consider what kiwifarms has been doing to "free speech". their intimidation campaigns have been doing a lot more to harm the cause of free speech than this decision by cloudflare is. if you really believe in free speech, you understand that trans people deserve free speech too, and kiwifarms harrasment campaigns have been…

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most recently, they executed a targeted intimidation campaign to the point where somebody felt the need to flee Canada. and then continued it when kiwifarms users discovered that person's new home in ireland.

(edit: corrected US to canada. most of the coverage of this was coming from NBC, assumed that meant the victim was american)

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by [deleted] »

afavour wrote: post #479
dmw_ng wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching company employees consistently pop up on critical threads (not fingering CF here, many including at least Stripe come to mind as frequently occurring too) feels a lot like gaming the forum. Vetted messages like this from a recognizable source will often end up pinned to the top of the thread, but I don't really think they overly contribute to the conversation in most cases, and I find myself wishing there wa…

I have to disagree with this. These folks are best positioned to give us actual information . 90% of the rest is just opining.

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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by AussieWog93 »

I think a lot of people in the comments don't understand what Kiwifarms is.

I say this as someone who occasionally browses there and gets some (admittedly sick) enjoyment from it: the main draw of the website is a place for people to get together and bully mentally ill "weirdos".

It's not just about people posting offensive shit in their own little corner of the internet - what happens there spreads out, by design, into the mainstream web and real life too.

While I'll personally miss watching people do fucked up shit for internet clout, this is a wise and fair decision by Cloudflare, and there's a good chance they may have saved Keffals' life.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by rejectfinite »

AtNightWeCode wrote: post #308

I spend 30 mins on kw (through archive.org). It is a very pathetic forum with low value. I don't have any problems with cf disabling them. Free speech does not include assistance from others. An edge service having problems about edgelords. Almost poetic.

>It is a very pathetic forum with low value

If they paid the bills to Cloudflare what is the issue?

Should Cloudflare decide what sites have value to stay online?

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by pclmulqdq »

hollywood_court wrote: post #427
tombert wrote: post #312

Good. I'm sorry, I'm generally Mr. "Raw raw free speech", but let's not kid ourselves; by all accounts KiwiFarms is (and always has been) a cesspool of horrible people. It's not like 4chan or something, where it might have started with reasonable intentions and just became horrible; KiwiFarms was started for the specific purpose of bullying Chris-Chan, hence why it was initially called Cwcki Farms. KiwiFarms has been…

I think it’s pretty safe to assume that MTG or her people were behind her swatting attempts.

IMO it's more likely that one member of the anti-KF crew was responsible for the false flag. Most of them are also far to the left, and MTG is a fun target for them.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by philippejara »

lupire wrote: post #470
philippejara wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, can we know what was this great threat then that suddenly made you change your position in just a few days? Furthermore, do you believe that someone who is issuing a threat on a public platform is going to not act it out because you took it away? If anything it just sounds like it would make them even more incensed to do it, just makes absolutely no sense to frame it as some immediacy issue.

At least one accessory to attempted murder, at least: https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/2022-alleged-kiwi-...

As I asked previously, there is any indication of kiwifarms involvement? there's nothing in that link pointing to it, aside from someone calling in to say they are a specific user in the forum, which lets be honest here it's madness to think is relevant.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by atmosx »

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither and will lose both".

We're letting private corporations act as the judiciary and executive branch of governance.

"What could go wrong?" I wonder.

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