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Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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I can find claims that people were eating 14 pounds a day. That seems implausible. They'd have been really fat on nearly 5000 Calories per day.

If you're building a house or something 12 hours a day, you're going to burn that much.

I don't buy that. We've studied cultures where everyone works really hard all day. Their metabolism adjusts pretty well and functions at a level not too different from the rest of us.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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I can find claims that people were eating 14 pounds a day. That seems implausible. They'd have been really fat on nearly 5000 Calories per day.

Athletes or active teens could eat that much easily

Very specific athletes can burn that much for a while. And teens can do it for a bit during growth spurts. But regular people? Nah. That's been studied pretty well. If you work hard all day, your metabolism compensates. It's also why exercise has quickly diminishing returns.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Egg Consumption Increases Risk for Diabetes https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/egg-consumption-i... "The authors note results from a recent meta-analysis and data from the Physicians' Health Study and Women’s Health Study showed an increased risk for diabetes of up to 77% with seven or more eggs consumed per week."

Government propaganda to fight inflation https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/06/24/137400235/lbj-... "When egg prices rose in the spring of 1966 and Agriculture Secretary Orville Freeman told him that not much could be done, Johnson had the Surgeon General issue alerts as to the hazards of cholesterol in eggs." There's actually no healthier food than eggs

These are much newer references than 1966. The first reference is for a Chinese study (China, not US) published in 2020.

"Compared with group 1 (30·7 %, low baseline intake and slight increase), both group 2 (62·2 %, medium baseline intake and increase) and group 3 (7·1 %, high baseline intake and decrease) were associated with an increased OR for diabetes. The results suggested that higher egg consumption was positively associated with the risk of diabetes in Chinese adults."

Here's the publication: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33028452/

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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My unsupported personal belief is that the human body processes different carbohydrates in very different ways. Carbs that come from starch are not equivalent to carbs from cane sugar, and yet again not equivalent to honey, and again not equivalent to high fructose corn sryup, and again different from breads & pasta. Ratio of fiber to carbohydrate and how that carbohydrate is processed by the body is also important a…

> Unrelated, and unsolicited 2 cents, IMO it's all about eating as many fibrous and leafy greens as possible. At that point, a moderate side of lean meat, potato, carb, practially whatever - does not matter so long as the fibrous and leafy greens are the majority source of calories. If you eat a meal with a small steak and a baked potato, how many pounds of salad would you need to consume to get the majority of your…

That is impossible, you're supposed to throw in some calories e.g. at least some sunflower seeds or nuts.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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> EVERYTHING WORKS (at least in this short term).

> How to explain this? Well, what does everything have in common? Every diet restricts food choices.

Or some variant of the Hawthorne effect, and the change has nothing to do with the specific change and everything to do with your conciseness about there being a change and it being for the purpose of weight loss.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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I'm pretty sure this is quite wrong [1]. While potatoes score as the most satiating "carb" it seem far from the most satiating food, vegetables have tons of fiber score a lot higher in satiety vs. nutrient density.[2] > Just a fancy form of water & vitamins No. 1. https://optimisingnutrition.com/calculating-satiety/ 2. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p_QyR5ImpQSJ_QODYl-tKxeKfj...

I can't actually get satiated with vegetables. I can eat enough to feel ill, but I'll still be hungry, paradoxically.

Maybe you need something else specific due to your lifestyle.... more protein or carbs.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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> Obesity is not a disease of over-eating, it is a disease of managing hunger. Indeed it is, and the solution to managing hunger (i.e. returning your whole insulin and leptin system to a more optimal baseline) is NOT going for a 90% carbohydrate diet. That's exactly why we have a bloody obesity epidemic. It's a fun thought experiment, but reading the comments in here people actually think this is genius and sustainab…

> Indeed it is, and the solution to managing hunger (i.e. returning your whole insulin and leptin system to a more optimal baseline) is NOT going for a 90% carbohydrate diet. Leptin system returns to a more optimal baseline with weight loss. Insulin returns to a more optimal baseline by increasing insulin sensitivity. Exercise does this most effectively, loosing weight also does this. Low carb diets don't do this dir…

Sorry but your comment is complete nonsense. Insulin reacts faster than weight loss. In fact it is so fast, every time you wake up, your insulin resistance recovers a little bit every morning after you sleep. It is entirely possible to be obese without insulin resistance and to be skinny with insulin resistance. It is completely orthogonal to weight but insulin resistance makes it much easier to gain even more weight.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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If you're building a house or something 12 hours a day, you're going to burn that much.

I don't buy that. We've studied cultures where everyone works really hard all day. Their metabolism adjusts pretty well and functions at a level not too different from the rest of us.

https://www.lhsfna.org/burning-calories-on-the-job/

Burning 400 calories an hour for 12 hours would be about 5000 calories.

Anecdotally, I know a retired guy who's been constructing a gymnasium sized $150K play tube structure for the past month, and he's lost like 25lb.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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> the genius of Indian cuisine: making otherwise bland ingredients (chickpeas, lentils, potatoes, spinach, etc.) taste amazing. How is that different from any other cuisine? Rice, noodles, potatoes, beans, cabbage, fish, meat, chicken all get mixed with spices in almost every cuisine

Of course there are other styles of cooking. Indian cuisine excels at just the complexity of the spice blends they use. Completely the opposite of Italian cuisine which tends to be minimalist in terms of numbers of ingredients. Just a handful of ingredients typically. As a Dutch person where salt & pepper are considered excessive in some places, quite a contrast. Let's just say I know what unseasoned vegetables and p…

The comment I responded to didn't mention complexity, only the spicing up bland food.

Also sorry to hear that - boiled vegetables taste amazing to me. Cabbage, onions, broccoli, etc have amazing flavors when you learn to appreciate them. I can enjoy food drowned in spices and sauces, but in my experience "blandness" is often an indication of desensitization rather than an actual lack of flavor, like how people who excessively consume sugar may have trouble appreciating the sweetness in fruits.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

> And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more effective. I met someone on a Potatoes + Curd/Butter diet and he said something that stuck with me - "You need to eat the skins too". So you can't just eat fries or mashed potatoes, but more like baked potatoes in skin with sour cream. Seems a bit crazy, but it seemed to make him happy & felt like he was discovering something unique rather than being forced by s…

Also, for your standard potato, you should boil the potato whole the day before and put it in the fridge to cool.

This causes resistant starches to develop in the potato which is good for you in a handful of ways.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/resistant-starch-101

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