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Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by berberous »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #468
berberous wrote: post #364

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Well, I strongly disagree. I would be shocked if VR/metaverse does not massively grow within the next 10 years. I think the headsets alone will continue to get massively better which will convert most of humanity, just like how much better iPhones got since the first one. In fact, I would bet anything on the foregoing, as I have near total confidence in that aspect. It’s much harder to figure out which companies will…

> I think the headsets alone will continue to get massively better which will convert most of humanity How will it get better? The only way it can meaningfully get better is if it disappeared. The problem with the current state of VR is not the software, the app store or moderation, it is the form factor and the ergonomics. Very few people want to strap on a giant heated helmet to their face and experience the eye st…

You are ignoring that plenty of people, especially young people, already tolerate headsets enough to spend many hours wearing them.

Making the headsets much much lighter, less hot, wireless, better optics, higher res, higher refresh rates, etc., will improve the experience massively.

Look into what is already public: companies are exploring eye tracking, varifocal lenses (so your eyes are not always looking at the same focal plane), etc.

You can even compare the Index versus the Quest 2 to see what a difference a better screen can make.

People already deal with eye strain by staring at a bright screen from a fixed distance for most of their life.

Neural link, sure, eventually. For now, if you don’t think ten years of progress won’t lead to hundreds of millions of devices sold, well, wait and see.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by scoofy »

lumost wrote: post #436
glofish wrote: post #420

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Each of these: Markeplace, Forums, Messenger are non sticky and with countless alternatives. For example one could easily have two-three chat apps and use each with different people. I still use Craigslist, I think it works better and has better organization of categories. The main Facebook app, now that is a unique product - yet frankly, from my perspective it feels completely marginalized, the content there is in w…

The degree to which the main FB product rotted during the last few years was extreme. Scrolling FB was still a daily activity for me until the medium was overtaken by outrage. It seems like FB goosed conflict on the platform until everyone decided they’d had enough and left or stopped posting. There is nothing in the newsfeed from my contacts at this point, the feed is either entirely ads or bottom barrel MLM scams.…

I think the strong disagreement in these threads are indicative of the new sub-culturing of social networks. I have friends who basically live in facebook, they are parents who spend most of their time looking for deals on marketplace. Meanwhile, most of my child-free friends have ditched facebook nearly a decade ago, and have either doubled down on reddit or have moved to tik tok.

Whether or not the metaverse is anything but marking would require me to look at a balance sheet, but facebook seems to be moving through the business life-cycle at a much more rapid pace than i expected it to. They are wringing the value out of the product for revenue growth at the expense of long term adoption. Always a mixed bag but I'm sure an MBA could explain it better.

Suffices to say. I have no idea whether or not their products have are long-run competitive, because I'm very much not the target demo.

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Post by wardedVibe »

cheriot wrote: post #331
hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #271

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One thing I don't get is why there is a such high regard of visual input. I mean, we can speak to our friends since the telephone age, and we can see them on screen too since maybe the 90s. Is there a huge demand to actually see them IN THE SAME ROOM ? I really don't think so. But maybe future generations have different ideas. I think VR can make a lot of difference in training (e.g. medical training) but it's not co…

Video chats with more than 3 people start to suffer from an inability to have multiple conversations at the same time. Physical distance of a couple feet and visual queues like the direction of a speakers face allow that in 3d space. Maybe someone can overcome this in 2d? I haven't seen it yet. I was on a casual call with ~10 people recently and the way only one person could speak at a time was so unfortunate. Really…

gather.town is a pretty great forum for this

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Post by bradlys »

piva00 wrote: post #201
marcinzm wrote: post #86

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And Facebook/Meta has come out of all that with even more revenue than before. I call that a business success even if not an ethical success.

So an outstanding job just requires business to flourish, doesn't matter the means? I really don't agree with that.

In a capitalistic system - yes. She’s won and there’s fuckall you can do about it.

If you wanna play by a different set of rules - gotta change the entire landscape. No one is going to do that.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by zombiwoof »

Imagine if Facebook said they were investing in fixing hate speech, online bullying and said they would lose 4 billion a year fixing it. THAT is a company I believe everyone would get behind and support.

What's there now is a joke, and Sheryl cashed big paychecks while looking the other way.

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

chrisseaton wrote: post #419
nickysielicki wrote: post #400

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To play devils advocate, Facebook is more essential to my life than it ever was before. * Marketplace was a huge success in terms of subsuming Craigslist. The quality of posts and the volume of postings makes me rarely even check Craigslist anymore. * Small forums for various hobbies are almost entirely driven by Facebook groups now, instead of in the past where you’d find some custom bulletin board where the last po…

> The quality of posts On Marketplace?! This blows my mind that you think this. It's a chaotic nightmare. Sellers post everything as free and then separately negotiate a price. Buyers repeatedly ask you if something's still available. Both of these mean something's very wrong with how people understand to use the system.

I've never used Facebook Marketplace but whenever I see some preview in my Facebook it's just bikini shots (apparently the skinny attractive women are selling the bikinis that they're wearing).

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by irrational »

nickysielicki wrote: post #400
frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

To play devils advocate, Facebook is more essential to my life than it ever was before. * Marketplace was a huge success in terms of subsuming Craigslist. The quality of posts and the volume of postings makes me rarely even check Craigslist anymore. * Small forums for various hobbies are almost entirely driven by Facebook groups now, instead of in the past where you’d find some custom bulletin board where the last po…

And yet, I do those same tasks and don’t use Facebook for any of them. None of those are special and people could switch to one of the alternatives with barely a hiccup.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by e-clinton »

frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

The rebrand was mostly PR. Sure they are working on Metaverse, but they are still trillions to be made under the current model. If there’s one thing I’ve learned is to never count Zuck out
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