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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by gambiting »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #402
eastbound wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At risk? We’ll just stop having overinflated salaries. The current situation is insane for employers: - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (paid extra, I mean - and we’re at the 35hrs week here), - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, - Not willing to work on legacy products where we pay them 40% more. - In the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus, and they’ll leave…

Where are you located that you have a 35h week while enjoying such great benefits like employer investing in your training? I'd like to move there. In my EU country the working hours are 38.5 which isn't as good as 35h, but it isn't that bad, but no employer hires you to invest in your training. Every company wants only seniors, preferably for junior wages, and scream there's a shortage while offering no WFH because…

I'm in UK, working at a video games studio and while we work 37.5h a week indeed all training is done during work hours, we hire people from junior and bring them up to senior/expert levels, with our average seniority being something stupid like 12 years+(longest one atm is 29 years). And yes, we only have to be in the office 1 day a week, personally I work 4 days from home 1 from the office, but it's up to everyone how they want to do it.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by cudgy »

zmxz wrote: post #453
dunefox wrote: post #423

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You're paying your employee because they are suitable at this moment. Expecting someone to study in their free time is nonsense. If you want that you either need to pay for it or allow study time during the work time.

I want to provide service to clients that we're paid for. I want staff to actually know what they claim they know. I want to deliver so we can all get paid and go home and do whatever else interests us. That's what I want. But I'm the proxy between staff, clients and government. So when I stay up late every night in order to reconcile all the warring parties, the comment I get is "pay more if you want to get more". O…

I doubt highly skilled modern workers would want to work for someone with the attitude expressed. Those people have options and working for a company that has a one-sided old-fashioned attitude that refuses to train them for the companies chosen development stack would be foolish.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by giaour »

mijoharas wrote: post #468
latency-guy wrote: post #148

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It has to be team based. I currently have an active offer with Microsoft, and had multiple conversations with the hiring manager last week. I have gotten verbal numbers. Nothing in writing though so it could always turn out a dud. Which will suck, but one step at a time. Satya also announced last week that everyone below ~L67 is getting an adjustment to their salary.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with Microsoft's internal structure, but do they have (I assume over) 67 different salary bands? Wow...

For software engineers, the numbers start at 59 (as in, a new grad hire is an L59 on their first day): https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Google,Amazon,Microsoft&trac...

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by unixhero »

TameAntelope wrote: post #95
unixhero wrote: post #70

First comment: Don't say "get rekt" anywhere near managers, recruiters or founders.

Are you f*cking kidding me? Counterpoint: Say "get rekt" around me. It's fine. Nobody cares if you're making stuff or can help them make stuff. This comment is a joke, nobody who matters thinks like this.

It is not.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by [deleted] »

zmxz wrote: post #453
dunefox wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're paying your employee because they are suitable at this moment. Expecting someone to study in their free time is nonsense. If you want that you either need to pay for it or allow study time during the work time.

I want to provide service to clients that we're paid for. I want staff to actually know what they claim they know. I want to deliver so we can all get paid and go home and do whatever else interests us. That's what I want. But I'm the proxy between staff, clients and government. So when I stay up late every night in order to reconcile all the warring parties, the comment I get is "pay more if you want to get more". O…

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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by corobo »

zmxz wrote: post #453
dunefox wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're paying your employee because they are suitable at this moment. Expecting someone to study in their free time is nonsense. If you want that you either need to pay for it or allow study time during the work time.

I want to provide service to clients that we're paid for. I want staff to actually know what they claim they know. I want to deliver so we can all get paid and go home and do whatever else interests us. That's what I want. But I'm the proxy between staff, clients and government. So when I stay up late every night in order to reconcile all the warring parties, the comment I get is "pay more if you want to get more". O…

Are you involved in the hiring process? It sounds like you're hiring juniors when you want intermediate/seniors

Juniors are cheaper but you have to factor in training costs if you want them trained lol

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by flakyfilibuster »

eastbound wrote: post #390
Solvitieg wrote: post #252

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> Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also. The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models. On top of that, the "demand" n…

At risk? We’ll just stop having overinflated salaries. The current situation is insane for employers: - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (paid extra, I mean - and we’re at the 35hrs week here), - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, - Not willing to work on legacy products where we pay them 40% more. - In the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus, and they’ll leave…

so ungrateful these devs...
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