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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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Do you know of any other way to send electronic cash with no intermediaries (EDIT: financial institutions)? It's the first sentence of the whitepaper and ignored by 99% of people, including highly paid software developers. Whether or not you need that will depend on where the world goes. A CDBC social-credit system world presents a lot of incentives to use something else. And if you do need it, you need it ahead of t…

It is ignored because for the vast majority of customers, the intermediary is not a problem. In fact, the intermediary is usually an asset. I know when I buy something with my credit card or PayPal, that payment processor has me covered if the seller tries to screw me over. The people who hate the intermediaries are the sellers, because they don't like losing a small % of their sale to a payment processor. But seller…

> They have to accept payment in whatever form customers are willing to provide it in. Customers aren't going to move away from PayPal and credit cards without a good reason, and so far crypto has failed to provide that reason.

In general this is just an illustration of the racket between banks and card companies, since customers really only seek to pay using the payment options their bank provides upon opening an account, although I guess that's not a surprise given Visa started out under Bank of America[0].

If banks provided a crypto wallet that had all the benefits of regular accounts like direct deposit and FDIC insurance, which they might eventually do[1], I doubt many would hesitate to use it. The only barrier would be if using the crypto wallet presented a fee that Visa and the rest of the card industry loves to keep a secret by charging the merchant instead, with the merchant passing on those costs to the customer in the form of higher MSRPs.

0: https://minesafetydisclosures.com/blog/2019/5/29/part-l-a-hi...

1: https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/what-is-a-central-bank-d...

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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You're absolutely correct. The total ignorance of HN on all matters of finance is incredibly grating.

Yeah - the existence of this post is really an example of it. "Is anyone else " -> lots of upvotes and in-group people agreeing with each other. It's basically just hating on an HN out group. Good crypto/finance conversations HN on are unfortunately not possible. I just flag posts like this, they're just flame bait.

Wow this thread is incredibly toxic. People openly admitting to passionately hate groups of people they don't know. I thought this website was better than this.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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I will preface this statement by stating that I know nothing about the stock market and let my retirement account be handled by an investor... What real math is involved in predicting the stock market? I understand there is a lot of theory behind TRYING to predict it, just as there is a lot of study in trying to predict trends in the stock market, which is why you are better off investing in groups of stocks as oppos…

> What real math is involved in predicting the stock market? Are we really comparing the two markets? Owning a stock means owning a piece of a business. If you have all the stock in the world, you seized all means of production, good job. If you own all the UnpossibleJimCoins in the world what exactly has changed? Oh but that coin is not insert another coin , it doesn't have the consensus/cult.

Owning a stock is not the same as having controlling interest in the business and being able to take home your share of profits (or suffer your share of losses) from the business. It is interesting how the mind works to confuse these two things.

Also, in the limit, if you owned all the stock in the world, you have destroyed the stock market.

Because ultimately, stock market is about speculating the future potential of the business and pricing it into today's stock price and more importantly having someone believe that and be available to buy from you at that price. So, it is a sophisticated collective story-telling-belief-system based on imperfect and asymmetric information using fancy mind-bending jargons. By having some regulatory safeguards, it is lent an air of legitimacy but really only the crudest of scamsters are stopped.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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I am ambivalent.

On one hand the schadenfreude is high, not going to lie.

On the other hand I liked that they were all in the same spot. Every time crypto dips down, or there's a rugpull or whatever, I am afraid they'll jump ship to some other area that they'll ruin for everyone. Or worse, they will move to many different areas, spreading the greedulousness all over the world.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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For a different take - I’m generally happy when things go on sale.

Until I’m living off of my investments, it’s generally in my interest for the prices to be low.

This is true for company stock programs. Yeah - it can be painful to watch 3 years of options go to zero, but if I’m being given $N in options every vesting period, that just means my next vest is going to be great!

Crypto is no different. If I’m dollar cost averaging into Bitcoin, crashes are in my interest and rallies are less than worthless unless I’m planning on selling.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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for me my company stock has erased the gains since ~late 2018. BTC is up 10x in that period. People have just lost a sense of proportion that investing timelines are 5-40 years. Investing for "moon gains" in time periods less than that is for suckers, save for maybe people who are building a new business.

Fellow Meta employee?:)

Fellow tech employee

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#488
I don't think it's nice to have posts on the front page basically celebrating other people's misfortunes.

The only thing that could be celebrated is if crypto mining capacity were to lower. But this aspect isn't even mentioned. And although the most valued coins currently rely on PoW, PoW isn't something intrinsic to cryptocurrencies. It's something we should move away, the same way ETH is planning to do.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#489
Sure. Because most of it is scams. And because I don’t think there is a status quo that needs disrupting. I find the idea of widespread anonymity in the larger economy downright scary. I can’t see anything that is interesting, cool or necessary that needs it.

I also fail to think any of the tech built on/with crypto (and blockchains in general) is even vaguely cool or exciting. I don’t think expensive apes are an abberation in an otherwise promising field, I’m convinced it’s just apes and scams all the way down. Artificial scarcity, pyramid schemes, pump and dump. Whether it’s coins or apes it’s the same thing.

The promise (or threat, if you see it from my POV) of actual widespread use in society to challenge traditional systems and industries like credit card companies is perpetually just over the horizon. And as soon as it really does have an impact it’s obviously going to be outlawed.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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> Might be better to let go of the hate… So that more blockchain opportunists, web3 wanderers and crypto trojan horses blossom in the next cycle, chant the same 'this time is different' screed and cause another crash? No. This blockchain cycle needs to stop, now that we know that they have no solutions or usecases other than gambling.

I supported Ukraine with crypto. (in I've bought actual stuff I liked on Internet with crypto (the only other option was PayPal which is blocked in my country). There is sure a lot of dirty things going on on crypto but there are definitely totally legitimate use cases. You can gamble with fiat, you can gamble with crypto. You can donate/buy with fiat, you can donate/buy with crypto. I'm an opportunist who is in web3…

A poor excuse to use a useless and broken system for after 15+ years is still slow at sending payments (which is supposedly the primary usecase) and is incinerating the planet doing useless computations just for fake tokens.

No thanks at all, a system that does this needs to be destroyed.

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