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Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there:

1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work things out mentally. School, practice, volunteer, homework, bed, do it all again. This builds up to a very difficult to unwind ball of stress, anger, fear and despair.

2. Everything is conflicted and unclear. Schools teach cultural tolerance while enforcing zero-tolerance policies. Diversity is good, but being ____ is bad. So many areas where what we teach and preach are the opposite of what policies and actions actually do.

3. The stakes are too high. View the wrong website on your chromebook and get referred to law enforcement. Have a kid send you the wrong selfie and get charged with a sex crime. Get a bad grade and you are off the volleyball team, and you won't make the team next year - so done forever. Misbehave and you'll be arrested by the resource officer and face time at juvi, and potentially a conviction that will be held against you for a very long time (in some states juvi convictions count against three strikes laws).

3. Kids are targeted. Sexual predators, gangs, fringe and mainstream ideologues looking to recruit followers, sports agents and talent scouts all have one thing in common: they want to exploit kids or sell them something.

It's really hard to be a kid right now, and that needs to change. We need to lower the stakes, the stress and have something that resembles consistency.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

I have to agree with most of your points, even if they seem to be US problems to a large extent. What social media does, so, IMHO is enabling and aggrevating those problems.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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My sister, now 27, was diagnosed with psychosis about 10 years ago. Her real social life was plummeting and i couldn’t notice it since i was living away. But apprently she was obsessed with social media, particularly twitter back then. At one point, she came to our parents saying thay “people put cameras at home and they are watching her”. So, she totally lost it. Immediately diagnosed and started using heavy medication. She totally lost touch with real life and human interaction. She still wouldn’t talk for hours if you sit in the same room. Still obsessed with social media. She has 20k followers on instagram (not sure how much of it is real though). And if you look at her instagram profile, it ‘S totaly a different person. Fancy dresses, fancy restaurants, bars etc. but in real life, she’s a total loser with no single friend. Doctor says it’s only medication that can help. I don’t believe it. I believe she has to also get therapy sessions. But my family doesn’t believe it. They are old , too tired to deal with this. Probably they also need therapy. And i do as well. But living abroad, with my wife and little daughter, i can’t really influence these decisions. So all i do is being sad. A teenager’s life was totally ruined because of this. Maybe it’s not entirely social media’s fault but i’m sure it plays a big role. Just a little advice, if you see your kid or sibling being isolated, untidy and spend more and more time on social media, please try to stop it before it gets out of control. Just my 2 cents.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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More and more people are living as a lower class, relationships are fragile, internet and social media is more integrated into our lives causing shallow over socialization, short attention span and addiction for attention / likes / whatever, broken families / families with mental issues, unstable economy, owning being replaced with renting, loneliness, and increasing race against other people for financial and social survival, honestly it all looks pretty bleak, even more so for the people younger than me.

Also for some people the country waging war and spreading propaganda of surrounding countries nearby isn't helping things either.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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You think teenagers are thinking about pensions... If they are they are probably already having mental issues because that's not something someone pre 20s should be concerned about. People in this thread need to stop projecting their problems and worldviews as universal social issues.

Idk but in France, when I was still a teenager, it was not that uncommon to talk/joke about the fact that we will never be able to retire. In high school, most of my classmate already started to have a political conscience and where thinking about this kind of stuff. Same with the environment. We already had social media at the time (mostly facebook) and yes, I won't deny that there was already something anxious abou…

My assumption, I'm in my 40s now, has been since before going to University that my state pension, if any, will be a bonus I can share with grand kids. I have to find a way to finance retirement myself, somehow. Which is bleak, even bleaker for all those low paying blue collar "job" that sprung up in the last two decades. And I don't think the gig economy is rock bottom for now.

Is this the root cause forental health issues? I don't think so. I'd rate climate change, uncertainty and media living of controversial topics and FUD as serious reasons as well. All topped by social pressure. And all of that is drven, enabled and aggrevated by the current social media. We will figure it out, as we figured out mass media before. Maybe we just started figuring it out. Until er do so, we will pay a price.

Would ve interesting to hear what the affected people, teenagers, have to say about all that.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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I don't disagree at all with you pointing out the plight of families and children less privileged than OP (where I am, there is now a steady stream of truly awful stories about what happened to young children during lockdown when the monitoring and intervention of society as a whole, and social services in particular, is suddenly and completely removed). >economies with little or non-existent safety nets (see UK and…

> However, as a resident of the UK, I have to ask - how does it have a non-existent safety net? Jobseeker’s Allowance is one forth of the average rent in London and I’m not sure you are entitled to it if you have any savings. If you lose your private insurance you’d have to rely on the NHS, which is not as bad as what happens in the US, but it’s not in the same league of the French, German or even the Italian healthc…

>Jobseeker’s Allowance is one forth of the average rent in London

Tricky issue. I do know that where I live (Wales), there are huge numbers of people living relatively comfortably on a benefit-funded lifestyle.

There's also a whole lot more to the UK safety net than Jobseeker's Allowance.

>If you lose your private insurance you’d have to rely on the NHS

If you don't mind me asking, are you a UK native? That's a fantastic turnaround of the typical sentiment about the NHS, which is that it's a shining example of what the wonders of socialised care can do, and how we can do without the evils of privatised healthcare. FWIW I agree with you - it's actually a stinking dump of a money pit, and an embarrassment to anyone who has experienced any other 1st world health care.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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If the mental health crisis is exacerbated by other stressors, how does that explain the following? 1) The crisis started suddenly in 2009, 2) It affects girls far more, and 3) It is occurring in many countries. Haidt brings up those points in the testimony to rule out other factors and prove that social media is specifically to blame.

"It affects girls far more". Don't far more young men kill themselves? How is this being measured? Seems more complicated than that.

My understanding is that young men are successful at killing themselves far more than young women, but young women attempt to kill themselves at higher rates than young men.

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I'm not denying that those issues all contribute to the problem. However, teenagers had a terrible, rotten time during WWII - bombs on cites, constant threat of military service, parents and elder brothers killed in war, one's country being invaded, etc. yet on the whole most never suffered these mental health issues. The difference is striking Somehow, they had stamina and resilience that today's teenagers don't hav…

> I'm not denying that those issues all contribute to the problem. > However, teenagers had a terrible, rotten time during WWII - bombs on cites, constant threat of military service, parents and elder brothers killed in war, one's country being invaded, etc. yet on the whole most never suffered these mental health issues. The difference is striking > Somehow, they had stamina and resilience that today's teenagers don…

I don't deny any of that either. These matters are complex and I cannot reasonably argue them here without discussing other factors in detail such as changes in life expectancy over the past century, the more fatalistic approach to life pre-war (big families meant survival insurance, pre-penicillin times meant many more [expected] deaths in childhood, harder times financially, etc. etc. The whole social milieu was different.

Let me say just this: when I was growing up in the 1950s and '60s what I said above wasn't quite 'dead' yet as my childhood was pretty much similar to that—and it was often damn hard times back then (moreover, from where I came from it was so for many of the kids my age, I was no exception). Several weeks ago I gave an account of my own childhood on the HN story Old Enough: the Japanese TV show that abandons toddlers on public transport and there's no doubt that by age six I was an independent agent— that is, walking miles to school across busy roads by myself at that age and so on: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30951723#30953588. We had to be more resilient just to survive—and we were.

The fact is I'm old enough to have witnessed these changes firsthand. Leaving aside the reasons (which, no doubt, will be argued about for years to come), there is no doubt that mental health issues among the young have increased substantially in recent decades.

Edit: Incidentally, during my teenage years I cannot ever recall any mention of childhood or teenage suicide. No doubt it happened, but even the concept thereof would have been anathema to us kids back then.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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I remember reading part of a study a few years ago that noted that youtube was the only social media (in the study) that didn't negatively affect mental health. In fact it had a slight positive impact. If I find it I will link it, but here's an article in a similar vein: https://www.psychalive.org/worst-mental-health-instagram-fac... So yes, the search is obviously geared towards engagement. But not at the cost of me…

To be fair youtube is not really social media in traditional sense. It's more of a content delivery platform. It's not a place where you go to watch pixtures from your friends holiday or political hot takes but more traditional entertainment.

It's funny how closely early YouTube resembles TikTok in the 'average people singing, dancing, vlogging, being funny in front of the webcam' type of video that's entirely missing from modern YouTube (the webcam having been seamlessly replaced by the front-facing phone camera).

Even the median length was similar, around 30 seconds, and the video responses feature for replying to one video with another certainly looks familiar. We can look back at exactly how it was in the Wayback Machine: here's a random snapshot of the 'Most Recent' page from 2006.[1] Remember the stereotypical TikTok feed full of dancing girls?

We can't get the past internet back, of course, but this realization really made me see TikTok in a different way. (though YouTube's propensity for recommending decade-old videos ought to be noted with regard to this--a social media site willing to show you some of its oldest content, that's rare!)

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20060612075750/http://www.youtub...

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