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Post by __blockcipher__ »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #94
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alberta hasn’t fully lifted the restrictions, nor has Kenney taken the option of reinstating the restrictions off the table.

Firstly, he has a timeline for removing most restrictions, so there should be progress there, and secondly, why should he have to promise that? In case conditions change, say a much more deadly form of COVID, those restrictions may be needed. That demand seems unreasonable.

And the truckers and everyone else on their side feels that leaving the emergency powers in the hands of the government is unreasonable. Thus why the two respective sides are at an impasse.

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Post by Jackim »

moralestapia wrote: post #300
Jackim wrote: post #28

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I live in Ottawa and I assure you that this protest is not peaceful. I've had friends physically assaulted, spit on, and yelled at just for wearing a mask into a business. Not to mention the constant honking that was reaching levels above 100db inside people's homes. Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes.

Sorry to contradict you, but your claims are the complete opposite of what I've experienced first-hand.

Do you live in Ottawa?

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Post by [deleted] »

rafale wrote: post #263
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

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There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

You lost me at "closer to an insurrection".

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Post by rasz »

annexrichmond wrote: post #413
sokoloff wrote: post #352

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You should listen to the one-third, but you also should listen to the two-thirds and weigh their opinion appropriately more heavily.

depending on how the survey was asked, just because 1/3 supports X it does not necessarily follow that 2/3 are against X

Funny you said that, because it just so happens that in last two election "2/3 were against Justin Trudeau" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election

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Post by Ensorceled »

pumaontheprowl wrote: post #463
Jackim wrote: post #28

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I live in Ottawa and I assure you that this protest is not peaceful. I've had friends physically assaulted, spit on, and yelled at just for wearing a mask into a business. Not to mention the constant honking that was reaching levels above 100db inside people's homes. Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes.

Ironic that you're complaining about violence in the context of a protest against forcibly jabbing people with a vaccine they don't want. The government's policy here is violence in itself. If you truly were concerned about violence against innocent people, you'd be on the side of the protesters, not spreading unsourced lies in effort to have them silenced.

No one is forcibly jabbing anyone in Canada. There is no violence being done.

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Post by tw600040 »

abledon wrote: post #474
tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

was it only the 10% fringe farmers protesting? or the 90% majority of farmers?

Depends on who you ask. There are people who would strongly vouch for either sides...

That said, it was predominantly farmers from 1 state. may be 3-4 states max. India has like 28 states.

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

daenz wrote: post #379
Jackim wrote: post #54

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That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

That's like saying civil forfeiture is ok because the police will only ever take things from people involved with actual crimes, and that if you're not doing crime you have nothing to worry about. Do you forget how things are manipulated by people with power?

No it isn't.

And this is entire event has been orchestrated by "people with power" with a political agenda which is hostile to most of the population.

It has almost exactly zero organic content. No amount of rhetoric and gaslighting is going to change that.

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Post by pomdapi »

canadian-on-hn wrote: post #401

TL;DR: the original protest was legitimate, albeit tainted by more than a few bad actors. The subsequent several weeks have been harming local residents, and the inaction by both the Ottawa Police Service and Ontario government have resulted in this. I'm not happy it got this far, but blaming Trudeau is (mostly) misplaced. There is a fair bit of nuance here, so I'm going to try and clarify a bit of what's going on fo…

> Additionally, Doug Ford and the Ontario government have been completely absent, skipping 3 straight conferences on how to deal with the protests[6] in Ottawa.

Hmm, seeing how things are evolving it was the politically astute thing to do. It's win win, cynical but insures a greated measure of electoral survival.

They'll maybe lose the city center voters who couldn't sleep, but that's more or less that. However this concludes, most of it'll land on Trudeau's lap, no so much theirs.

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Post by throwawaythekey »

tedivm wrote: post #70
e4e78a06 wrote: post #47

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Confiscating peoples' assets does not exactly engender you to a lot of political support. You're risking a massive loss in the next elections if you do that, just like how Democrats in the US are also facing huge electoral pressures on crime and COVID restrictions [1]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/new-york-mask...

This idea that there's a crime wave seems to be pushed here and on reddit by month old accounts with no real proof. The reality is that crime is down in most places. Lets look at San Francisco. I'm going to get my stats right from the San Francisco Police Department. Homocide - Down 20% Rape - Down 23.8% Robbery - Down 20.7% Assault - Down 8.8% Human Trafficking - Down 83.3% Burglary - Down 45.4% Motor Vehicle Theft…

Forgive me for being an ignorant foreigner...

I see clips of train robberies in LA like this https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2022/01/14/train-the...

And then I have to ask myself how is that possible in modern society? Train robberies seem shocking enough that they HAVE to be indicative of a broader crime wave. Is there something about the US context that I am missing?

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