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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by democracy »

cercatrova wrote: post #141
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #40

I've been a hiring manager for remote positions for a long time. If your recruiting channels are good, most of your candidates are going to be honest and good intentioned. But interview enough people, and you'll start encountering people trying to abuse remote work. They're not interested in contributing to your company. They're only interested in collecting paychecks while they do as little work as possible for as l…

There is a whole community about this called Overemployed [0]. Their reddit posts are quite entertaining, like this guy who works 5 jobs and is making 1.2 million a year [1]. [0] https://overemployed.com/ [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/s12c8l/i_star...

Yeah there is a lot of imaginary stories obviously. But at the same time as a contractor you could always work with multiple clients, not sure why it comes as a surprise in 2021. A full-time employee for 2 companies? Bullshit. Not a sustainable model.

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Post by pmarreck »

beerandt wrote: post #430
pmarreck wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>She wore a hijab and the company had just hired its first “diversity officer” so maybe that’s why At what point does forced diversity hiring become a perverse incentive, with regards to needing to run a company with qualified individuals regardless of affiliation? (This may be a cynical question, but I'm not trolling. I'm aware that there are tangible benefits to more diversity. What I'm wondering if there's some ca…

The only tangible benefit I've ever heard of was qualifying for contracts with diversity quotas. Similar for setting up 49% subsidiaries where the wife (wives) of the owners collectively own 51%, to qualify for minority ownership for fed govt contracts.

What is that saying about "tell me what your incentives are and I'll tell you how you'll act"?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

amrrs wrote: post #169
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #40

I've been a hiring manager for remote positions for a long time. If your recruiting channels are good, most of your candidates are going to be honest and good intentioned. But interview enough people, and you'll start encountering people trying to abuse remote work. They're not interested in contributing to your company. They're only interested in collecting paychecks while they do as little work as possible for as l…

I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

I got paid 15% less to transfer from one city to another 100 miles away. You get paid based on where you live, unfortunately.

Although 1/4th sounds a bit extreme for India. My understanding is that FAANG is paying more than half - and considering the cost of living - I know a lot of people that willingly took gigantic pay cuts to transfer back to India.

I mean - for one - ~45% of your income goes straight to tax in CA - in India IIUC it's 20%.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

I once interviewed a person who couldn't answer a single question, not even the easiest ones. He would just say "I don't know, ask me the next question". A few weeks later I realized it was probably a plant that another candidate sent to collect the interview questions. And I think I even know who it was. We hired her, she wasn't very good writing code. But she answered all our questions perfectly, which only happened once before.

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Post by freyr »

At my last gig, we tried hiring contractors and got bit by this twice.

We’d interview a candidate over the phone or Skype and he’d be extremely knowledgeable, answering all our questions flawlessly. Then when he arrives to the office, he can barely speak English, has trouble turning the computer on, and can’t answer any of the questions he answered over the phone.

We learned to detect this very promptly and escort them out of the office immediately. They often demanded to be paid for their time and traveling expenses, despite attempting fraud.

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Post by uxp100 »

eternityforest wrote: post #469
com2kid wrote: post #449

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Plenty of companies use source control other than git. AAA gaming studios are famous for not using git due to git's poor handling of large binary assets w/o workarounds. I've used other source control systems and they do have benefits over Git to be sure. Access control is a huge one, you can have a large repository and have fine grained access control over who can access what paths in the repository. Heck with some…

Game dev always seemed like a highly specialized thing to me. Performance critical, uses real math, lots of local instead of just server work, art assets... I'm not saying everyone uses git, but it seems like there's probably not many people who have never had to learn it. Especially when "knowing git" often means memorizing about 8 commands total if you're not on really big team. When I pushed for a transition from…

I mean, a lot (most?) of the largest companies in software don't use it primarily. That being said, I agree that "knowing" git enough to for daily use is picked up very quickly. Your day to day usage of git is I'd say, medium complexity for source control. I've used tools where even cloning the repo could be a hassle, and there were nearly as many footguns as git, without reflog to recover.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by bane »

I knew a hiring manager about a decade ago at a company that used a very intense interview practice. The sort of multi-day, tests, whiteboard coding, several rounds of panels interview. The worst employee they ever hired somehow made it through that entire gauntlet then showed up to work and it was like somebody had lobotomized him. He was no longer able to write code, simple SQL SELECT statements, anything. It was utterly bizarre and unlike anything I've ever seen. For months my friend vented about this employee's utter ineptitude and every conversation ended with "how the hell did he get through the interview process?"

They never did figure out what was going on, but did eventually have to terminate the employee.

edit I just asked me friend if they had any ideas what happened. They said they believe that a "recon" person interviewed before them and just recorded the interview questions so they could study and regurgitate answers. But that's the best theory that doesn't involve identical twins, clones or time travel.

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

goodcanadian wrote: post #374
bityard wrote: post #315

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Man, I am kinda shocked not so much that this is a thing but seems to be a bona fide _movement_. It's highly interesting but my one job keeps me more than busy enough, thankyouverymuch. Edit: A few other thoughts I had since hitting submit: 1. It feels to me like the most challenging part of living a double working life is making sure your mandatory meetings at each job don't conflict. I wonder how people get around…

3. I believe there are a few places in the tax code where there is a difference between having a full-time job and a part-time job, are there any areas where you would have to lie to the govt when you have multiple full-time jobs? Assuming US-centric. The one that comes to mind is your W-4 for each employer. If you fill it out correctly, it will be a big red flag to your employer. If you pretend like you only have th…

I don't think the W4 is really much of a red flag. Someone with two jobs won't look significantly different from someone who has a high-earning spouse. Both will need to add additional withholdings to avoid underpayment.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by duxup »

cercatrova wrote: post #141
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #40

I've been a hiring manager for remote positions for a long time. If your recruiting channels are good, most of your candidates are going to be honest and good intentioned. But interview enough people, and you'll start encountering people trying to abuse remote work. They're not interested in contributing to your company. They're only interested in collecting paychecks while they do as little work as possible for as l…

There is a whole community about this called Overemployed [0]. Their reddit posts are quite entertaining, like this guy who works 5 jobs and is making 1.2 million a year [1]. [0] https://overemployed.com/ [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/s12c8l/i_star...

I know a guy who tried that.

He thought he was pretty good at his job and took a second job. His coworkers (included me) felt like he was slimy and was not good at his job.

Everyone was suspicious of the dude and finally one day his boss’s boss called him for an emergency, and he said the company name while answering his phone… the other company he worked for.

Company fired him, told the other company, and threatened to sue him. He paid back a good chunk of his recent salary (they didn’t need the money I suspect wanted to make an example).

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