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Re: Cannabis use produces persistent cognitive impairments: meta review

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Post by playpause »

peterfield wrote: post #235
irjustin wrote: post #14

Since the article and the study are light on the details of "persistent" Here's the supporting data's in a bit more detail[0]. Overall this makes sense to me as an individually who personally enjoys it. The whole point of getting high is to be impaired (for me). So it's not really telling me anything new. Like drinking, I can't expect myself to be 100% functioning the next day so plan accordingly. The question is how…

"Doesn't really seem to be answered in a way that I was hoping." Yep a meta review of meta reviews is not really gonna address much lol.

Why not?

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Post by mettamage »

slingnow wrote: post #471
mettamage wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps slightly TMI, but it's HN so let's share some fun ideas I have about this. __Stress is most likely super linear__ Not a doctor, but from what I know, the biggest negative effects of alcohol occur with binge drinking. From a logical perspective it makes sense that the negative effects are super linear, because that is the case with many forms of stress. When it comes to stress, there is always some threshhold…

What is "super linear" ?? Even more linear than linear? It's OK everyone. You don't have to endlessly add superlatives to your ideas to make them sound more exciting. Just say linear. It's SUPER effective!

My understanding:

super = above

supra = under

I looked for a source, here it is: https://grammarist.com/words/super-vs-supra/

Normally people say exponential, but I think that's a silly term as it is quite a specific term since it means that the exponent is a variable (e.g. 2^x, 3^x, for every n, so n^x). For example, x^2 is super linear, but it isn't exponential. Yet, I'm fairly sure that I've heard people say that something is "exploding exponentially" but what they meant is that it's super linear since they got the faintest clue how much faster their projections are going compared to a linear projection.

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Post by mattc15 »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #420
mandmandam wrote: post #390

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This is great advice, have found much the same (different people are different). I'd only add to make sure you're drinking enough water and have some quality snacks nearby.

I drink a lot of water and never eat until I want to come down. When I eat, I become mortal again. Really, if you can just avoid eating, it is a completely different high. I definitely agree with doing it alone. I also use a fake cigarette "one hitter," as it is a minimal amount. It is always enough to work. Also, yoga. Going to a Yoga class after a puff is just so healthy. Building health habits into drug use is a v…

> Cannabis has a sort of state dependent memory

I think your brain has a state dependent memory

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Post by dunefox »

hansworst wrote: post #89
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #59

I used to wish to be a professional drummer. When I was 14 I attended a drum camp for a week to meet and learn from some of the world’s best drummers, along with other children and adults from around the UK with similar ambitions. I became friends with one kid who was exceptionally talented as a musician, but also had a chronic marijuana habit. He was a better drummer than me at the time, but the drum camp was held e…

This is an interesting story, but you have to wonder what led to this kid starting to smoke weed in the first place. It sounds to me like he may have had bigger underlying mental health issues that caused him to start smoking, rather than the weed being the cause of his subsequent suïcideer attempt and heroin addiction.

Depression can be a big factor, so I rather see cannabis use as a symptom not as the illness.

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Post by CameronNemo »

JohnCClarke wrote: post #312

Before anyone freaks out too much: "Persistent" means up to one week. From the actual paper: "However, results were not significant for an abstinence period of more than 7 days." Basically, science has proved that stoners behave like stoners. And if you stop it takes a few days for everything to wear off.

As someone else mentioned, I think that only applied to certain effects. But the paper did say something along the lines of "persistent effects are highly debated" (sorry the site won't let me copy anything or download a PDF...)

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Post by vorpalhex »

hansworst wrote: post #89
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #59

I used to wish to be a professional drummer. When I was 14 I attended a drum camp for a week to meet and learn from some of the world’s best drummers, along with other children and adults from around the UK with similar ambitions. I became friends with one kid who was exceptionally talented as a musician, but also had a chronic marijuana habit. He was a better drummer than me at the time, but the drum camp was held e…

This is an interesting story, but you have to wonder what led to this kid starting to smoke weed in the first place. It sounds to me like he may have had bigger underlying mental health issues that caused him to start smoking, rather than the weed being the cause of his subsequent suïcideer attempt and heroin addiction.

And what if the weed took his minor problem and significantly magnified it? We see this behavior happen all the time in other drugs like SSRIs.

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Post by jerry1979 »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #459
cthalupa wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> after he smoked his ambition to be a goos drummer away. This is the part that doesn't follow. We have no actual indication that smoking pot had anything to do with his lack/loss of ambition. I could give plenty of anecdotal studies where people became complacent because they got a promotion, or made it to a certain landmark, or realized that they were the smartest person in the room at the time, or a million other…

“ This is the part that doesn't follow.” This is what follows, or at least strongly implied, from OP’s post; “ My friend spent the whole year smoking marijuana and being complacent” We can only argue from what is in the story. Not what is not in it or what we’d rather wasn’t. The OP shared a story, admitting its anecdotal.

When someone who retreats from their hobbies, tries to kill themself, and engages in risky behavior like heroine use and drug use, I think its reasonable to suspect that person has some problems in their life beyond smoking marijuana.

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Post by CameronNemo »

Yuioup wrote: post #18

How long do they persist? 1 day, 1 week, a year, ten years? I used to be a daily smoker and was horribly addicted. Now, at least ten years after I quit, I find myself having trouble remembering things. I lose my train of thought a lot too, really annoying. I don't know if that was attributed to my cannabis use, or just my brain in general.

It said 14 days of abstinence was enough to eliminate several effects, like verbal learning and verbal memory.

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Post by oblio »

tiagod wrote: post #347
oblio wrote: post #266

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Think of it this way: what if to become a next level civilization, to live forever and travel to space and teleport and whatever, there's a general consensus that we need to stop using them. I think people would do it.

I think you're overestimating how much most people desire and will desire such things in their life.

He he he :-)

People have always wanted to: a) live forever, b) live forever in good health, c) do whatever they please throughout their hopefully healthy and immortal existence.

a), b) will require advanced medicine and healthier lifestyles while c) kind of requires that we get off the planet if we want close to infinite resources.

We have a million songs and movies and books and we've had tons of people dedicating their existence to the things I've listed above. We've had plenty of people killing and starting wars for them (or at least a hope at getting them).

If anything, I'm underestimating how much they want those things.

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