Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

purdueexponent.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

481–490 of 1001 posts

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#481

Post by [deleted] »

DFHippie wrote: post #402
zozbot234 wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, some do. The CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that. Yes, because "learning from our experience" is yet another form of oppression according to CRT pushers. And "discuss and debate" are routinely dismissed as "White" values.

> Yes, because "learning from our experience" is yet another form of oppression according to CRT pushers. I don't understand. Are you saying people who discuss critical race theory are opposed to learning from our experience? Could you characterize what these people are doing? I'm genuinely curious. I don't mean to be aggressive, I just don't understand your point.

[deleted]

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#482

Post by lazide »

ajmurmann wrote: post #466
chernevik wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He can't immediately announce punishment without violation of due process. The perpetrators may be known, but even so that has to be formally established before the school can do anything about them. It's unfortunate that there isn't a greater response from the student body in defense of free speech.

It seems like harassment should be enough to expell someone even before this statement.

If you can prove it was harassment and not someone just saying something the other party didn’t like in a place both parties had a right to be.

If we’re both at a bar we have a right to be at, and you keep saying you think I’m a jerk and should get kicked out - is that harassment?

If you follow me there every time I go? Probably. If you don’t, probably not.

Proving one way or another can be difficult.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#483

Post by t-3 »

nautilius wrote: post #410
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to drink are enclosed in a small area like cattle. Public space alcohol consumption is one of the weirdest metrics I’ve seen to gauge freedom. But for what it’s worth, laws regarding public alcohol consumption…

> Public space alcohol consumption is one of the weirdest metrics I’ve seen to gauge freedom. How so? It seems to me that the people's ability to use and enjoy public spaces as they fit (of course unless they intrude on other people's freedom) is at the very heart of what I consider freedom. > And of course, you’re free to drink privately. And of course you're free to express your opinion privately, at home, when no…

The reason many municipalities ban public drunkenness is because it intrudes upon other people's freedom. Very many people tend to behave badly while drunk!

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#484

Post by mrkstu »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #376
sschueller wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

"The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. " Having grown up in Germany and now living in the US I think in the US you can have more freedom if you are willing to live outside the boundaries of the life the average citizen has. If you are willing to live off the grid you can be pretty free. Some people think freedom also means the right to not have health…

Interesting perspective, though I'd like some detail around the 'worry about getting shot' comment.

I'm in my 50s and have lived in the US all but 2 of my years, and have never been concerned about getting shot (in the US or abroad.) In what kind of situations have you found yourself that you've actively had this worry?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#485

Post by flenserboy »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #316
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

This isn't some kids bullying another kid. These are adults representing a national government. This is a nation bullying someone inside the United States for exercising free speech. The message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana.

Yes. One has to wonder just how many of these students are students, and not "students" — at Purdue & everywhere else.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#486

Post by netcan »

abruzzi wrote: post #468
oxfeed65261 wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

"If those students can be identified..." It sounds from the statement that they don't know who they are at this point. This sounds to me like an initial statement before a full investigation has completed. I would also say that for the rights of other students, there should be some kind of fair process to ensure that the accused are fairly treated.

The student has stated (on reddit) that he has identities and proof at ready for police and/or the university.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#487

Post by vhgyu75e6u »

rkk3 wrote: post #434
chernevik wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I contend that those seeking to overthrow tyrannies are to be celebrated.

Sounds good until you try to figure out how to classify tyrannies.

The ones that block freedom of the press, block and censore the internet, deploy military force against civilians, anex peaceful territories by force, push other democracies to overwrite their history, and commit genocide... So the Chinese government.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#488

Post by smt88 »

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would qualify your comment about "prosperity and success" to say that the CCP (which is not the same as "China") cares about average prosperity and the further entrenchment of the ruling elite. Chinese people are too numerous, varied, and under-studied (since no honest political surveys are done there) for me to comment on their overall culture.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#489

Post by lazide »

elteto wrote: post #470
mensetmanusman wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The administration can’t ban these students because they need the money from these students to keep their jobs.

Purdue isn't going to go bankrupt because of 200 students.

Depending on how they handle it, they could end up blacklisted by all Chinese students - which is likely a whole lot more than 200 students.

That it could also (in an extreme case) cause many employers with Chinese ties to avoid alumni with Perdue ties to avoid backlash from China is an outcome they can’t ignore either.

CCP is not known for rational, reasoned responses in situations like this.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

#490

Post by vmception »

zepto wrote: post #416
vmception wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Agree with me or its an apology for totalitarian oppression“ Alternatively its just not an apt comparison.

Sure but you knew it wasn’t an apt comparison when you made it, which is what makes it apologist.

I was talking about yours. The thing i initially replied to.
Post reply on HN