Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California

Post by DeathArrow » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:10 AM UTC

thegrimmest wrote: post #454

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #453

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> It's an answer to the question of "Why do we see different representation of these groups on the height spectrum?" But we already know that, by and large. It's genetics. And the thing we know about genes is that they align very poorly with "races". It's like grouping animals by color. Then you discover that brown animals are bigger than red animals, because bears are brown and bears are big whereas cardinals are re…

But there are groupings of people by genetic markers which correlate to linguistic/cultural origin. These aren't "races" per se but they are a valid and interesting taxonomy of people. And unsurprisingly given they are determined by genetic distance, these groups tend to have a more homogenous physical appearance. When we're talking about IQ, asking "why is does it differ across identifiable groups of people?" seems…

Post by DeathArrow » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:24 AM UTC

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ASalazarMX wrote: post #344

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Freedom of speech is such a bizarre thing in USA. I understand citizens need the right to voice their opinion without fear of government repression; but citizens shouldn't believe they have the right to insult and behave antisocially to other citizens. Any kind of white supremacist behavior is not something to be treasured as freedom, because that enables their harmful behavior against other citizens.

Maybe try thinking about it for a moment instead of resorting to the boring heuristic of assuming Americans are dumb zealots treasuring rights because they are brainwashed. People like you need to stop saying things like "I understand citizens need the right to voice their opinion without fear of government repression" because this is exactly the opposite of what you want. You want views that you consider objectionab…

Post by gm3dmo » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:32 AM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #472

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>There are probably more trolls pretending to be Nazis than there are actual Nazis. "We are what we pretend to be." --- Kurt Vonnegut

Cute, but trivially falsifiable. Wearing a Freddy Krueger mask on Halloween doesn't make you Freddy Krueger. And to the extent that it is true, it implies that we should stop using Nazis as the boogeyman. Because trolls are going to use whatever will get a rise out of people. Best not have it be this that they summon up.

Post by GhettoComputers » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:34 AM UTC

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Which race? The US interred Japanese people during WW2. I hear that we interred people from central and south America for the last 5+ years, too. We're not a hundred years from anything except gaslights.

> Which race? Are you actually serious? You don’t know which race the US discriminated against in the past 100 years? The answer is black people aka African-Americans (as well as Chinese but that’s just outside the 100 years) [1] You do realise that black people did not have freedom of speech for almost all of America’s history? The idea that America is some bastion of free speech is utter nonsense, when you consider…

Post by DeathArrow » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:41 AM UTC

arthur_sav wrote: post #133

ChuckMcM wrote: post #119

While I applaud Signal's response I expect this entire event (subpoena and response) will be provided as one of the exhibits to congress by the Department of Justice to justify their request that it be unlawful to provide such services. The DoJ will say, "See, here is this horrible crime we are investigating and because this company chose to make it impossible for law enforcement, with a warrant and a subpoena to get…

Nothing any company can do about that. Spying programs and laws will only worsen unless people really voice their concerns and elect the right people.