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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by Barrin92 »

secondcoming wrote: post #282
suzzer99 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I just wish he'd take his enormous reach a little more seriously when he entertains quack pseudoscience as if it's an equally valid POV to real peer-reviewed science.

That's what Joe Rogan's show is all about. It's pretty much him talking about the same nonsense that anyone else would talk about when hanging out with their friends. He never pretended to be anything else, and it's why his show is so popular. That said, since he moved to Spotify I've hardly seen anything other than the occasional clip on AdTube. If you want high-brow stuff there's Lex Fridman's channel.

Fridman is slowly going down the same route with more and more comedians and nutritionists and ufo people on his channel. I wish he just had sticked to interview scientists because nowadays I probably archive 2/3 of his episodes.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by dalbasal »

jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it.

They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succeed. Either way, it's not just "buying premium content." It's an attempt to seed a monopoly. I doubt that what they spent is even theoretically justifiable as a self contained business proposition.

The whole thing is quite sad. Podcasts are/were one the the free digital medias. No mediation. Standard protocol. The client is just a client. No one tells you what to say, or controls who listens to what. I wish FB and youtube were that.

We the geeks have done a terrible job of defining and promoting digital freedom. Failed to find a way that doesn't sound like a paranoid eff rant. I don't think Joe really understood that RSS is a Free (as in freedom) media, perhaps the last. He probably thought about it as Youtube-vs-Spotify, with Apple and other RSS clients being more of the same.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by sammalloy »

rchaud wrote: post #468
sammalloy wrote: post #459

I agree with everything that's already been said in this thread, but I've noticed one thing that hasn't been discussed at all. I live in a rural area where network connectivity is poor at worst and intermittent at best. I spent years watching Rogan on YouTube with nothing but network problems. Watching Rogan was a chore in the previous scenario, and YouTube did not make it easy. Once Rogan moved to Spotify, I never h…

Youtube automatically switches to the lowest bitrate if it detects a slow network. Was it still too slow at 360p? I used NewPipe to download the YT vids ahead of time. It has the option to download only the audio streams, so a lot of bandwidth can be saved that way as well.

I should note, I was not using the YouTube app, I was using the Safari browser on my iPhone all these years. To me, it seemed like a buffering problem, even at 360p. For whatever reason, Spotify loads immediately (or at worst, within five seconds) and gives me the best experience. Thanks for the tip about NewPipe.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by nate_meurer »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #445
nate_meurer wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The claim by the experts was that the vaccines were 95% effective at stopping the spread. No, vaccines are not expected to prevent infection or spread, and almost none do. For example, flu vaccines don't keep you from from getting infected, and the virus still spreads successfully even when vaccination rates are high. What the flu shot does is (hopefully) cause you to have less severe symptoms. Vaccines are designe…

If that is such an universally understood principle then a lot of people are badly misinformed. I can’t count how often I hear “if everybody just took the vaccine the virus would be gone within insert timespan ” even in academic circles.

> if everybody just took the vaccine the virus would be gone within insert timespan

No, the expectation is that a successful vaccination campaign will end the pandemic, by making the burden on healthcare systems manageable. Nobody serious thinks we can eradicate the virus like we did with smallpox. It will always be with us, causing infection.

This is how all vaccines work, with the exception of HPV and possibly measles. Vaccines are not expected to provide sterilizing immunity, and they don't need to as long as they prevent serious disease due to the infection.

Within the field of immunology this is common knowledge, and I wish the CDC would message it more clearly.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by BitwiseFool »

nabla9 wrote: post #364
timr wrote: post #146

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> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

> I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. He is the least critical interviewer you can imagine. Being uncritical and hyped up is his trademark. He is Mr. Softball to the extent he is made of fun for it. He is not thoughtful. He has talent of speaking endlessly and keeping it going endlessly.

Sometimes the point of a talkshow is to get the guest to do the majority of the talking. Other talk shows take the opposite approach and the guest is just a vehicle to let the host pontificate. Neither is superior.

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Post by mhh__ »

VelkaMorava wrote: post #288
arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

The thing of Joe Rogan shouting at the primatologist about the "new" chimpanzee is genuinely hilarious

https://youtu.be/__CvmS6uw7E

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Post by likeclockwork »

WalterBright wrote: post #439
likeclockwork wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're the only one bringing the Government into this.

The government has been leaning on to social media companies telling them to self-censor or the government will do it for them.

And none of that is what this discussion was ever about.

Conflating criticism with calls for government censorship is a dishonest rhetorical tactic.

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Post by godelski »

VelkaMorava wrote: post #288
arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

> During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who ~~Joe Rogan~~ people on the internet see~~s~~ themselves as~~himself~~. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself).

FTFY

Side note, on /r/Math the other day I saw a great joke.

People in real life: Ops, I'm bad at math. I need a calculator to calculate a tip.

People on the internet: Allow me to demonstrate to you why I'm bad at statistics but confident I'm right and all the scientists are wrong.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by swayvil »

complianceowl wrote: post #123
xutopia wrote: post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quaranti…

The downvote button is a tool for crowdsourcing the (very large) task of censorship.

Agree?

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Post by jseliger »

edge17 wrote: post #165
xutopia wrote: post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

If anyone wants a datapoint, I stop listening to podcasts once they go to Spotify. I use Overcast, and generally don't have the wherewithal to chase content. I'm guessing there are more like me. I was an infrequent listener to Joe Rogan, but now I am not a listener at all (because it moved to Spotify). Also, there seems to be a lot of judgement of the kind of person Joe Rogan is (conspiracy, etc) in the comments. I h…

I was also an idle subscriber: I'd start listening to perhaps one in five episodes, with guests who interest me (think of people like Elon Musk or Jonathan Haidt). When Rogan left Apple podcasts/Stitcher, I stopped listening. Your statement echoes how I feel: "I only ever showed up for the guests. Generally also the case for many other podcasts, Lex Friedman, Tim Ferris, etc.... the value they bring is more the guests they attract and the space they create for the guest."
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