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Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by Marsymars »

CliffStoll wrote: post #91
Taniwha wrote: post #13

Cliff - if you're reading this - you own the images they're using - time to claim copyright with Amazon ....

Um, thanks, I guess. I think that Amazon’s agreement is that sellers waive copyright to images uploaded. -Cliff around 11:30 in the evening

I'm no expert, and am not recommending any particular copyright-related recourse, but the image submission agreement has a clause to remove materials from the service, and the license grant to Amazon is not specified as being irrevocable: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=...

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by iratewizard »

mrandish wrote: post #428
blairanderson wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Cliff, I'm an independent amazon consultant. Your Amazon problems would be solved with a regular USPTO trademark. They don't recognize common-law trademarks because they are heavily arguable in litigation. USPTO is a database of trademarks already scrutinized by trademark attorneys and government. It's not perfect, but it is a collection that Amazon recognizes. You can do this for $2000-ish and never think about i…

It's a shame that a small-time reseller like Cliff has to go to the trouble and expense to register a trademark to protect his listing (which I doubt Cliff will bother with). Until about 5-6 years ago the changes Amazon made almost universally made their service better and more pro-user convenience/efficiency. Since then it's really become a nightmare. I realize they are being abused by scammers who are scheming ever…

Amazon is filled to the brim with predominantly Chinese scammers that they have shown no interest in stopping. Scams I've seen:

- 2 pack scammers that sell someone else's product as a bundle, but it costs more to buy the 2 pack than it does to buy the real item twice.

- Listing swaps, where someone will take a commodity listing with lots of reviews and change the listing to sell overpriced broken garbage

- Counterfeiting or extreme product cheapening after a listing receives recommended status

- A mountain of fake review schemes now including this.

These bad actors don't contribute to the Amazon market. There's little reason not to ban them for ToS violations.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by gowld »

saxonww wrote: post #452
paulpauper wrote: post #446

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Making the step from a hobby to a business means having to make the necessary investments, some of which may be costly and a pain in the ass, to protect one's intellectual property.

I think it's ironic that you're saying he has to pay to run his business safely, when Amazon's set things up this way specifically because they don't want to pay to run their business safely. It's a little outrageous that a 3rd party can come take over your storefront without any avenue to challenge.

There is nothing wrong with Cliff's store front: https://www.kleinbottle.com

The problem is in Amazon's storefront, and there millions of sellers are operating in the same space, so doing some due diligence is required. If Cliff could just seize ownership of his storefront from a thief, why couldn't a thief seize it from Cliff? The solution is to register a proper trademark.

Like it or not, the world is messy, and it costs to keep it clean. Registering a trademark is like buying locks for your home and vehicle, and buying soap to wash your clothes, and changing the oils in your machines.

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Post by whelming_wave »

gowld wrote: post #484
saxonww wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's ironic that you're saying he has to pay to run his business safely, when Amazon's set things up this way specifically because they don't want to pay to run their business safely. It's a little outrageous that a 3rd party can come take over your storefront without any avenue to challenge.

There is nothing wrong with Cliff's store front: https://www.kleinbottle.com The problem is in Amazon's storefront, and there millions of sellers are operating in the same space, so doing some due diligence is required. If Cliff could just seize ownership of his storefront from a thief, why couldn't a thief seize it from Cliff? The solution is to register a proper trademark. Like it or not, the world is messy, and it…

It's interesting that you say "some due diligence is required" and go on to put the burden of that diligence on Cliff, rather than the creator of the marketplace.

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Post by cyberge99 »

Axien wrote: post #306
eatonphil wrote: post #278

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Yes you can do that or there are static site generators backed by MySQL too. So your data and configuration site can still be dynamic but your served site will be completely static. The only difference between this and adding a cache is that the cache is another piece of software in your production stack.

Can you recommend a good static site generator?

Hexo is a good and fast lightweight generator.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by blibble »

binarysolo wrote: post #40

Given how this is on page-1 of HN, jeff@amazon (the elite US-based seller support team who uses the email, not Bezos) is gonna tear this AMVOOM / TaroRee hijacker a new one. While this is kinda designed-as-intended (Amazon wants you to brand register with them for protection), this is a pretty shitty dark pattern they put up and sadly it happens as an annoying edge case that existing sellers and customers have to dea…

so it'll get removed, drop off the front page

and 6 hours the scammer will be back under another account

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by jayspell »

CliffStoll wrote: post #116

Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

Cliff I love your website, it makes me all nostalgic for the internet of the 90's / early 2000's - full of personality and humor.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by IronWolve »

EricE wrote: post #449

A perfect example of why I buy less and less from sites that support 3rd party sellers. The problem is even once reliable sites like newegg.com are now playing these games. If I wanted the Ebay/alibaba experience I can get that! Why large retailer sites dilute their brand and frustrate customers in the fruitless chase of "being like Amazon" in catering to 3rd party sellers amazes and annoys me. At least most other si…

Amazon is more expensive on many items even with free shipping. Shopping for coffee makers, air conditioners i noticed I could get them cheaper and with free shipping from home depot and walmart.

While amazon is super handy, even food items like can goods are cheaper on walmart, but you have to wait a few days for shipping. Its can goods, theres no hurry, save money and shop around.

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