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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by approxim8ion »

pmurt7 wrote: post #462
mustacheemperor wrote: post #444

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I didn’t realize Brave had become a “hate figure” here but it seems like the discussion in this thread took a hard turn to the kind of conspiratorial, reactionary, nasty “gotcha” reply behavior I come to Hackernews specifically to avoid. In this thread are multiple examples of the Brave employee saying Thing A and just getting mean-spirited responses reframing A as negatively as possible as if it’s an argument retort…

This bullshit has nothing to do with Brave. Brendan Eich (Brave CEO) was cancelled years ago, and the mob is still after him. That's what going on really, it's cancel culture at its finest.

Won't anyone think of the poor homophobe?

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by pmurt7 »

approxim8ion wrote: post #481
pmurt7 wrote: post #462

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This bullshit has nothing to do with Brave. Brendan Eich (Brave CEO) was cancelled years ago, and the mob is still after him. That's what going on really, it's cancel culture at its finest.

Won't anyone think of the poor homophobe?

Thank you for making my point

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by renewiltord »

jonathansampson wrote: post #415
smoldesu wrote: post #405

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Maybe you could start by listening instead of accosting every comment that you find. Your incessant reply-bombing is childish and unprofessional, nobody wants to engage with someone who defends a browser like it's their sole lifeline. Furthermore, you don't get to choose what your "UX issues" are. "UX" quite literally stands for "users experience", which is on the other side of the spectrum from "developer experience…

I'm responding to users. You happen to have numerous comments here which aren't entirely accurate or fair, so I have responded to you a few times. Don't take it personal; if you publish something I feel is inaccurate, I'll post a response. Regarding user experience, I'm not just a developer of Brave, but I'm a user also ;-) Not only that, but I spend a lot of time speaking with users all across the Web, so as to unde…

I don’t use Brave but I think these guys are being unfair. Your comments are generally fine because they’ve prompted responses with detail, which I as a third party prefer.

“Brave is full of UX issues” Okay, the latter comment is way more useful to me, a lay follower than the former. And it only happens because you pushed.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by rpdillon »

smoldesu wrote: post #425
jonathansampson wrote: post #422

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We're discussing 2 distinctly different ad models: 1) Forced upon the user, rewards them in no way for their attention, harvests their data, auctions them off to a sea of third-parties, and may in fact be dropping malicious scripts onto their machine for client-site execution. and 2) An opt-in model which harvests no user data, rewards users with 70% of the revenue for the ads they choose to view (the user controls f…

As much as I know you want to chime in here, I'm not going to play any games where you draw the goalposts. My current options are the following: 1. I can continue to use Vivaldi and uBlock origin as a completely open-source and so far flawless combo or 2. Go out of my way to switch to a browser with dubious privacy claims, a goddamn personal cryptocurrency and (the cherry on top) a developer who spent the better half…

Is Vivaldi open source? The only reason I don't use it is because it's closed, so this would be great news!

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by SamBam »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #450
SamBam wrote: post #319

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It's not scraping static text in order to point you to those sites, it's using the features of the site to perform a service better than you can do yourself. It's completely different. If I made a site that claimed to help you with your math homework and simply sent the queries to WolframAlpha, that would also not just be "scraping."

This is basically what Google does to Wikipedia and rebrands as "Knowledge Graph".

Google has donated many millions to the Wikimedia Foundation, basically in payment for this.

(But, again, there's a difference between scraping and echoing a request on another site and waiting for its response. The latter is basically unauthorized use of its API, not scraping.)

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by iJohnDoe »

Dah00n wrote: post #353
tomstockmail wrote: post #313

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That, and anytime there's a critical comment on hackernews their employee's come flying in to do damage control.

Yes, it happens in every thread about Brave. Full-on damage control at the smallest mention, which says a lot.

Depends are which side of the table you’re sitting at.

I like Brave and many other people do. Just look at any of the other HN posts about Brave.

Since I like Brave, from this side of the table it looks like the anti-Brave people come out in full force to try to spew the same old crap and badmouth Brave. At the point it is the tired old crap, which most has been debunked already.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by minitech »

jonathansampson wrote: post #248
open-paren wrote: post #219

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If that's all that's offered, why does DDG's obscure shebangs work on Brave Search? https://search.brave.com/search?q=!hn+brave+search

Oh, apologies for the confusion. We support DDG's shebangs too; the above list is what we add to the list.

Out of that list, the only two bangs that DuckDuckGo doesn’t support are:

- !d (it’s already DuckDuckGo, so !d is “dictionary”)

- !mj (it’s !mojeek)

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by renewiltord »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #438
jonathansampson wrote: post #409

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That's not how it works. Brave blocks third-party ads and trackers (which are known to be dangerous) on behalf of its users (the same users who were installing uBlock Origin in Chrome and Firefox before coming to Brave). This is a security and privacy necessity on the Web today. Users are then able to opt-in, if they like, to a novel advertising platform within the Brave ecosystem. These users can earn rewards for th…

Hi Jonathan, here is my hot take on the issue. When a user installs uBlock Origin, they are attempting to protect themselves from ads, not just privacy, but because the ads themselves attempt to manipulate them into buying things. When Brave blocks ads in one place, but shows others ads instead, the users are not actually protected from the ads, any potential money that may have been generated by the ads is effective…

Considering their ads are opt-in this argument makes no sense. Which class of person both wants to “protect themselves from ads” and opts in?

Brave isn’t a browser I use but you guys are not even reading the comments you’re responding to.

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