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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by zip1234 »

csharptwdec19 wrote: post #128
perardi wrote: post #45

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…what a non sequitur. The F-150 is already a bloated monstrosity, it makes no difference if it’s electric. It’s some tiny bit faster, but they’re all fast enough.

Well, There's speed, and then there's acceleration. This new Lightning (putting it that way because F150 Lightning once corresponded to a gas-guzzling Supercharged V8 trim) has 775ft/lb of Torque. For reference, the existing models are between 265 and 510 ft/lb. Additionally, one of the benefits of an electric motor, is that torque is essentially instantly available, compared to an ICE where there's only a slim power…

And yet we have gps controlled speed for e-scooters but none for cars...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by singlow »

sharkweek wrote: post #397
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Here in Seattle, I have one close friend with a pickup, everyone else drives Subarus (no exception). But in all seriousness, he gets asked about 1.5x a week if someone can borrow his truck, it's insane how far this "ask" stretches itself. It drives him a little bonkers, but he's also a pretty nice guy so he says yes more than he should. Anyways, I'd probably buy a smaller pickup because of how often my partner buys a…

I used to own a pickup. I resolved to never own another one because it resulted in requests to help haul stuff or help someone move at least twice per month.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mountainethos »

publicola1990 wrote: post #313
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

In my view it appears more to me that some Americans are reluctant to give up their world view on why they need to drive bigger, larger automobiles than using environmentally better smaller cars.

> give up their world view on why they need to drive bigger, larger automobiles than using environmentally better smaller cars

To me this is the same as someone who smokes one pack of cigarettes a day judging someone who smokes 2 packs a day.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

jacurtis wrote: post #395
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

I moved to Idaho a several years ago and went through the same experience. I showed up in my Toyota Corolla and everyone kept saying it was a "cute car". This was just a normal car in Seattle. But here everyone was like, "oh how cute... a little Corolla". I also got comments from co-workers that were like "oh does your wife drive your truck?" Here every family basically owns a pickup. Idaho has a lot of BLM land, (se…

I hope you workin Ford's advertising department...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jacurtis »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #276
rootusrootus wrote: post #260

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> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

It’s signaling; in my mind it’s the same for many Tesla drivers. But I mean, same for me, I drive a Subaru Outback because while I do use it for outdoor exploring and want to signal that, its off road use is honestly limited to a dirt parking lot. It’s often about image. (Edit) consumption waste of traditional F150s, and yes, even that of my beloved Subaru is not great, but the absolute worst are coal rollers and tho…

If you live in San Francisco and drive a truck than you might be signaling. But if you own a Tesla you are just blending in.

By contrast, here in Idaho owning a truck is just blending in. Owning a Tesla out here would be signaling.

It is interesting how perspective changes so much based on where you are.

In Oregon I swear 80% of the population owns a Subaru Outback. The other 20% owns a Prius. So owning a Subaru in Oregon is just blending in. It doesn't mean anything. But if you drove that Subaru to San Francisco, now everyone thinks you are "outdoorsy".

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Post by meroes »

eldaisfish wrote: post #408
ben7799 wrote: post #349

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

this is a weak argument on several levels. if you need to move things five times a year, rent a pickup truck. Unless you're moving things on the regular, there's no point owning a very inefficient and heavy vehicle.

George Bush was giving everyone $10k back on new fullsized pickup trucks. Why not get one was my question at the time.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mbostleman »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I moved to Idaho 4 years ago, primarily interested in human powered mountaineering activities. But then joined the local SAR team and was fascinated by how snowmobiles and dirtbikes were such good tools for going further in less time and how going further in less time is actually important. From there a pickup becomes essential to get your moto vehicles to the trailhead. So now I drive an F250 - itself a fascinating tech platform - and I can't imagine life without one. But the whole point of this is that I had a similarly dim view of pickup owners and moto sport culture based on the pop cultural narratives. And I can feel the stares from the haters as I roll my dirtbike down the ramp. Hopefully they'll be thankful when they get help before spending a cold night out.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by stakkur »

It's simple: Ford will sell a shit ton of these.

Killer feature: onboard power for external devices. This will be huge for the trades--and the trades are a primary target market for Ford trucks.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by scotu »

pwagland wrote: post #239
mywittyname wrote: post #207

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The only gotcha with this, is that F150s are huge. I have an oversized garage and an F150 will barely fit. Many of my full-size truck driving neighbors opt to park in the driveway because they turn a modern two car garage into a 1.5 car garage unless designed specifically for giant vehicles. I haven't seen consumer chargers that are designed to be installed outside. Most people have wall chargers in their garages, bu…

At least in Europe, pretty much _all_ chargers are designed to be installed outdoors, as pretty much no-one has a garage anyway. So outdoor charging should not be an issue.

(European here) do you mean in city centers? Most houses not in historic city centers have garages in Italy afaik
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