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Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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It's painfully clear at this point that we need a consumer "bill of rights" to protect us from these giant tech companies. At the very least, companies must be legally required to present you in writing with the so-called violation of terms they're accusing you of, evidence of the violation, and a phone # or other immediate contact so that you can dispute the accusations. It's insane that these basic legal rights don…

You know it’s funny that lots of the basic functions of business with consumers (eg, ability to return items) were set and codified in the US as the Uniform Commercial Code [0] that was established in 1952. Before then it was wild and variable. What’s really interesting is that it seems like of hacker-like in how it was implemented. It was published as a guide and then states passed laws to implement. Reminds me of a…

The problem with this sort of thing is that because it's interstate commerce, states usually do not have standing to regulate effectively.

The Federal government struggles to implement new regulatory authority because of political challenges. Various groups of stakeholders will declare any such regulation an infringement on free speech (ie. "The constitution gives me the right to sell fake penis pills to fund my radical political agenda!"), biased against marginalized minority or cultural groups ("My marginalized constituency of blind, alcoholic yak herders have a religious prohibition against reading contracts"), or a unfair mandate restraint of trade ("The Chamber of Meme Commerce believes that this rule will cost 10,000,000 jobs in the meme industry and kill puppies."), etc.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Can you imagine any serious new project starting on Google Cloud with their lack of human support? I wonder if Google knows this is why they will never compete with Azure or AWS.

I'm the first one to jump onto the Google-hating train, but Google is literally throwing engineers at us for free so ours are ready to migrate large workloads off from our platform onto GCP. It also helps that we're one of the largest telcos. Google has humans, but only for contracts big enough.

Google has humans, but not for humans.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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> Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So hire more people. You can't argue that you can't do your work properly because your AI is not yet up to the task.

You think humans are better at spotting abuse? Mods on Reddit demonstrate that such systems can be worse.

Reddit also has AI that can shadowban you.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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What does ensure that Protonmail will not have the same business model and the same behavior 10 yers from now as Google?

For starters, users pay for that email service with money. This only works if users are willing to pay.

Google and Proton both offer free and business plans.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Google uses non-human automation to make some decisions, including banning accounts. As others have mentioned, this is not unreasonable as long as there is a reasonable (in terms of time and effort) path to disputing a ban - i.e., speaking to a human about the issue. But Google (and Facebook, and probably some other companies) don't have reasonable processes for disputing or resolving these situations. Some have said…

There needs to be a raft of community managers @ Google handling these sort of failures, including some senior ones to deal with escalations of this kind. They need this to counter the phalanx of people who enjoy spending their time trashing google. Just check reddit's ProjectFi or Stadia subgroups to see people who've made it their life's work to downvote every thread and response in those forums and spew vitriol at every opportunity.

Edit: I'm not defending Google's actions in the case of the Terraria developer's account or any other. I'm saying there are some people who have an axe to grind and right now they are the loudest voices. IMHO Google needs to counteract that by taking real action at a broad scale.

At some point the trolls will win for no other reason than inaction on Google's part.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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This is the exact opposite of what Google/Apple want to do. Why pay a human to do something? Let the computer do the thing, and a Google-human will listen only of the victim-human will yell loud enough. This is their tiering system. On the other side though, Google cannot have 1 FTE per 1000 'clients' (paying-humans and/or product-humans). As a 'father' here wrote, you stay or you go. Or at least keep the personal st…

>Why pay a human to do something? Let the computer do the thing This is why I think Google/Twitter/FB were not that vocal about the section 230 business. Honestly if they got brought through it would be expensive for them but they have the money and tech potential to automate any problems that arise from it which would just extends their moat from any potential competitors even more.

Yeah, this has been one criticism of EU's Article 22...

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Hopefully, more devs will do what this dev is (said to be) doing. > Consider it burned. #Terraria for @GoogleStadia is canceled. My company will no longer support any of your platforms moving forward. Of course, it's very difficult for small devs to do this. It takes an already solid business to be able to stand up like this. As always, I think this is the only way for Google to change, but I don't think it can happe…

I think it's also probably easy to do this with stadia since it's effectively 0 users. What would he say if steam treated devs like google does?

It's interesting you don't consider Android one of Google's platforms.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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As an aside - what benefit is there to having a game such as Terraria on Stadia in the first place? It has fairly low system requirements, and given how much energy is eaten up by server-side rendering and streaming, it seems wasteful in this context.

Gamers don't care about the tech that's being used, they only care about playing good games. If you're a Stadia user, why wouldn't you want to play Terraria? Because it's not a good use of streaming? But it's an awesome game!

Don't get me wrong, I see the appeal for Google of having it on there, but from the sidelines here, it seems to me to be terribly wasteful. It's like the energy consumption angle was never even considered. I presume it wasn't.

OT - where does your username come from? I'm sure it's not, but for a Brit to read it, it stirs thoughts of a terribly un-PC origin! :)

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Google uses non-human automation to make some decisions, including banning accounts. As others have mentioned, this is not unreasonable as long as there is a reasonable (in terms of time and effort) path to disputing a ban - i.e., speaking to a human about the issue. But Google (and Facebook, and probably some other companies) don't have reasonable processes for disputing or resolving these situations. Some have said…

> They do because they can, and because the damage still falls into the "acceptable losses" column.

Yeah, until they piss off someone too big to not give up without a legal/public fight or they piss enough people to make a dent on their bottom line.

I think Google right now is just coasting and the short term evolution is just reactive/siloed plans but no bigger picture of where they want to go (basically just "evolution for promotion points")

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