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Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by tehjoker »

jamiequint wrote: post #437
makecheck wrote: post #89

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Modern ad networks are essentially the “fax machine flyers” of old: someone you don’t know using your resources and your time, denying you use of your own resources temporarily, to send you something you don’t want. Except now it’s like every “normal” fax page includes 15,000 flyers.

This is a terrible analogy. Nobody forced you to go to the website that voluntarily decided to include the trackers.

I can't tell if this argument is meant seriously but it is incredibly specious. If every single website operates in this fashion and modern life is nearly impossible without them, then consumers are presented with no option and it amounts to coercion.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by anko »

andai wrote: post #189
makecheck wrote: post #89

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Modern ad networks are essentially the “fax machine flyers” of old: someone you don’t know using your resources and your time, denying you use of your own resources temporarily, to send you something you don’t want. Except now it’s like every “normal” fax page includes 15,000 flyers.

Some pages don't let you "Reject All" cookies, you have to uncheck them one by one, and there's literally hundreds of ad networks listed. It's spooky, I tell ya!

https://github.com/oblador/hush if you use safari :) Basically the regulations say that if a user doesn't respond to this popup, by default all the cookies are rejected except the ones the site needs.

This app hides the popup :)

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by toast0 »

ACow_Adonis wrote: post #450
bityard wrote: post #367

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I still use checks because in the US there are certain things you can't use a credit card for, e.g. loan payments. I pay contractors with checks because almost none accept credit cards and cash gets cumbersome once you start getting into 4 and 5 digits. My local utilities all charge a "convenience fee" of a few dollars when paying online or with a credit card. Sending a check in the mail costs me only $0.50. (Even th…

what on earth is banking doing over there in the US? I wouldn't know how to write a cheque these days if I wanted to, and the only cheque I've seen in the last 10 years or so is from my (now deceased) grandmother in-law sending birthday money to my wife. I'm guessing this is why several US payment companys and start-ups just don't make any sense to me: "make payments easier!" but it's hard for me to understand how to…

Banking in the US has first mover disadvantage.

Because of how and when it got computerized, it's hard to move it forward again. There's no desire for sweeping changes, everything has to move slowly now.

There are several personal transfer services (PayPal is ancient and fits the mold), but none have a lot of penetration. I think Zelle? is deployed through bank integration, and may end up with a lot of users as a result; possibly critical mass.

There was a lot of backlash on rf payments the first go round, a few issuers gave me cards with it, but then they removed it. Then they started issuing cards with chips, and now most of them are putting rf payments back in. A lot of payment terminals have the hardware for it, but a lot of them also have signs that say don't tap to pay.

I can easily do electronic (ACH) between my accounts, as long as I've gone through setup, which takes days for test deposits to show up. But to transfer to a friend or a relative is tricky.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by [deleted] »

sbarre wrote: post #358
michaelmior wrote: post #343

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> never see an ad again I wish that were true. Although uBlock Origin does a good job, some ads definitely still make it through. There are also some sites that detect ad blockers and refuse to let you in unless you disable it. There are workarounds for some of these, but it's still a bit of a mess.

If a website doesn't let me in because I use an ad blocker, I respect their decision and I leave the site and find what I need elsewhere. I have yet to come across a site that offered something so unique or compelling that I decided to turn off my ad blocker to use it.

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Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by stiray »

ogre_codes wrote: post #48

These advertising networks are destroying web performance. Most of these "Supercookies" are optimizations to improve performance. By abusing them, advertisers have turned what should be a great performance tool into a liability. I know FF suggests this won't significantly affect most websites performance, but web advertising and trackers are already responsible for a huge chunk of performance issues already. Of cours…

Due to cache abuse I have all caching disabled on firefox and this is a nice move (even if I will continue to use it without cache).

Anyway one more thing that I can observe on Ubuntu 20.04. Firefox has become noticeably faster. I dont know if this is due to the fact that is not from ubuntu repositories or some serious optimizations were made.

"On Linux, the WebRender compositing engine is enabled by default for the GNOME desktop environment session with Wayland. In the previous release, WebRender support was activated for GNOME in the X11 environment. The use of WebRender on Linux is still limited to AMD and Intel graphics cards, as there are unresolved problems when working on systems with the proprietary NVIDIA driver and the free Noveau driver."

(Fax machine enthusiasts, please stop abusing the thread and move to Ask HN or something)

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by gpvos »

beders wrote: post #363
grishka wrote: post #204

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Use your browser settings to block third-party cookies altogether. And, better yet, install uBlock Origin and never see an ad again.

Please don't. Unless you are willing to pay for the services you are using for free now, ads is what keeps them "free". You can object to being targeted based on your browsing habits, but don't stop ads altogether.

Too late. They had their chance and blew it.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by robocat »

bityard wrote: post #367
dyingkneepad wrote: post #309

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I had to use a Fax machine in 2018. In the United States. As the only acceptable way to submit certain documents. I should also point to non-Unitedstatians that checks (that physical paper worth as much money as you write and sign on it) are still in use in the USA.

I still use checks because in the US there are certain things you can't use a credit card for, e.g. loan payments. I pay contractors with checks because almost none accept credit cards and cash gets cumbersome once you start getting into 4 and 5 digits. My local utilities all charge a "convenience fee" of a few dollars when paying online or with a credit card. Sending a check in the mail costs me only $0.50. (Even th…

New Zealand is phasing out cheques.

Many shops don’t accept them, some banks have already stopped using them altogether, and the rest of the major banks are phasing them out this year.

A cheque is a rare thing to see (I haven’t handled one for a decade or so?)

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by rndomsrmn »

xeonoex wrote: post #176
warent wrote: post #83

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I run a network ad-block dns (pihole) and consistently 25-33% of all my network traffic is blocked as ads. It's much more than I ever imagined. Now I'm used to a different internet, when I'm using internet off the network it's like WTF is this?

Pi-Hole/NextDNS also blocks adds in most apps. I used NextDNS (which has a limit on the free tier), and recently switched to pihole running on my home server. I also use ZeroTier to connect to my server directly even when I am not on my local network to still use it as the DNS server. Works great.

You can get even better coverage with the NoTracking lists (dnsmasq/unbound or dnscrypt-proxy) https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists

They focus not only on tracking but also malware prevention, where possible via dns filtering.

Pi-Hole still does not properly support wildcard filtering, only via regex but that is not really efficient (requires tons of resources).

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by monopoledance »

ogre_codes wrote: post #48

These advertising networks are destroying web performance. Most of these "Supercookies" are optimizations to improve performance. By abusing them, advertisers have turned what should be a great performance tool into a liability. I know FF suggests this won't significantly affect most websites performance, but web advertising and trackers are already responsible for a huge chunk of performance issues already. Of cours…

Advertising destroys everything. If something is based on ad revenue, it goes to shit ultimately.

The latest casualty was podcasts. It's revolting.

Ad-based businesses need to be boycotted until this disease is in lasting remission.

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