Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc • Hacker News Board

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by arminiusreturns » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

CathedralBorrow wrote: post #478

arminiusreturns wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true at all. I bet you even think you know what my political identity (what a horrid combination of words!) is just because of the phrase, but in all probability you are wrong. On the contrary, I came with quotes from the man the discussion was about, you are the one who came with comments of no substance. Projection at its most obvious.

Yet you presumed to know that anyone downvoting you must be a "Biden lackey".

True enough, I should have phrased it better, and just not said anything at all (bad form on hn to talk about downvotes), but on a topic about someone I respect immensely I got frustrated to see downvotes used in leui of discussion. I do think downvotes on the topic are highly probable to be from people who support Biden, which I didn't, (not a Trump supporter either, and I hate that I need to quantify like that), but it doesnt really matter. Hn is about elevating the convo, not devolving it. Sorry, my bad.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by ketamine__ » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

Parler is being singled out because instead of hiring moderators as full-time employees like all the other companies you mention they decided to go the volunteer route that is less efficient. If Parler held themselves to a higher standard they wouldn't exist because most of its user base would complain about censorship go somewhere else.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by dang » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 11:51 PM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #469

dang wrote: post #459

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It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle. Can you please not do that? It's against the rules ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and it's the line across which we start banning accounts ( https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... ), regardless of which politics they're battling for. This is because it destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is c…

I will be very glad to stick to following the rules and limiting myself to technology discussions. Could you please ban these topics then ? After all, this thread is a political discussion and imbalanced or biased statements naturally invite responses to correct them.

That's not an option—it's not that easy. I've explained why this is so many times, most recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25723581. If you check out that post and the ones it links to, you'll find thorough explanations. If you read some of those and still have a question that hasn't been answered there, I'd like to know what it is. Just please make sure that you've familiarized yourself with the material and understand the constraints we're subject to. If it's something simple like "just ban politics" or "just allow everything", I've already answered many times why that won't work.

The bottom line is that a certain amount of political discussion is inevitable here, and users (all of us, on all sides) need to learn the skills of doing that while remaining within the site rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. That's definitely doable, as many HN commenters demonstrate every day.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by jeofken » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 11:41 AM UTC

erik_seaberg wrote: post #458

jeofken wrote: post #350

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I’d argue not to use law to dismantle big tech companies even if I disagree with their banning. Twitter, Facebook and Google’s social services (gmail and YouTube) are at their heights or just behind them. The cycle for when tech companies are devoured is coming to them. I’d wager something like PeerTube will take a big part of the void YT will leave behind, as the market for censorship-resistant video will grow along…

They aren’t past their peaks, they just demonstrated their power for all the incoming politicians. “Nice campaign you got here, be a shame if something happened to it.”

Well, they also created a huge market for alternative social networks, and made sure at least 70 mil people will be interested in that market.

Markets and prices are like a force of nature.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by eftychis » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 10:25 PM UTC

Focusing on the brief itself, I can see merits for injunctive relief (breach of contract). Bear in mind I am sure there are clauses that Amazon is going to cite against -- we only have access to this document. (It also appears hastily written a bit, which I can guess was the case.)

I would hold my breath for Sherman (Anti-trust) Act being applied. (Especially, as there is the whole people stormed Congress elephant in the room.) But in summary, the perception I get is that this is a strictly business to business lawsuit, contracts were signed etc.

I am curious if some Washington knowledgeable in the area lawyer can provide any insight and their point of view.

P.S. Of course this is just the point of view of one-side and we can not say anything concrete until this is litigated.

N.B. I am not a lawyer, not familiar and not licensed to practice in Washington.