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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by asddubs »

seneca wrote: post #416

Everyone saying they deserve it for "facilitating attacks on the US government", ask yourself if you believe Antifa should be kicked off of every platform they exist on for burning police stations. This is hypocrisy. Far too much of modern tech is held by companies happy to use it as a political weapon, and all for one side. I'm disgusted by the people who populate Parler, but I'm actually afraid of these tech author…

I have my doubts that twitter users calling for burning police stations would not in fact be banned if they caught the eyes of a moderator

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Post by wvenable »

seneca wrote: post #416

Everyone saying they deserve it for "facilitating attacks on the US government", ask yourself if you believe Antifa should be kicked off of every platform they exist on for burning police stations. This is hypocrisy. Far too much of modern tech is held by companies happy to use it as a political weapon, and all for one side. I'm disgusted by the people who populate Parler, but I'm actually afraid of these tech author…

I ran a very open forum with extremely light moderation for almost 2 decades and it started out very normal; It was spun off of famous tech bloggers website. But it eventually became overrun with the same type of people we're talking about here.

My hosting provider was contacted a few times and I always had to moderate the content, make software changes, etc. The last time I got an abuse notice from them I decided to just pack it in. What I'm saying is this sort of thing is nothing new -- it's just getting a lot of attention now.

> ask yourself if you believe Antifa should be kicked off of every platform they exist on for burning police stations.

If Antifa was planning violent actions on a platform, you can bet their hosting provider would get the same notifications and it would again be up to the provider to decide if they want that liability.

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Post by camel_Snake »

tatrajim wrote: post #441

As someone who has lived in both fascist regimes (South Korea in the 1970s and 1980s) and Communist ones (off and on in China during that past two decades), I have witnessed close at hand supposedly private businesses eager to curry favor with the government by silencing their political opponents. Could it just be that the tech titans sense a means of fending off imminent antitrust action by the DoJ, through tacitly…

I can't help but wonder if the opposite isn't at play here. It's reasonable that these companies have wanted to dissociate with Parler or other specific extremist groups but were afraid of political retribution from Mr. Trump. In your experience, did those same private businesses curry favor with governments by giving their allies preferential treatment?

As 'slippery slope' as this all feels, I'd personally rather the government not get involved in these private business dealings unless they feel there is a monopoly/oligopoly at foot.

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Post by agiroth »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #451

Parler failed to moderate to the standards of Facebook, Amazon, and Twitter, oh my

It's not their platform, they don't get to see how it is moderated.

We do, the people. You know those things we pass called laws? Yeah that determines how moderation needs to happen. Not other companies.

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Post by ausjke »

This move will lead to new innovations,say a new network service designed that will be bulletproof against the big cloud providers or even the pipe providers(AT&T,etc), something like P2P or dark net.

I'm expecting telecom vendors to chime in to cut off the network for the voices they do not like.

I used to think telegram/signal are designed for some other countries, never thought it could be useful for USA where free speech is guaranteed by the constitutions, no more.

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Post by rob74 »

npunt wrote: post #198

The short term calculus seems pretty clear: if a service is unable to moderate conversations that are inciting and planning imminent violence that undermines the fabric of democratic society (aka inauguration or the disruption of the transfer of power over the next 12 days), its better to shut it off than keep it around in case that violence comes to pass. Precautionary principle applies and a circuit breaker goes of…

Call me cynical, but the short term calculus of the tech companies involved seems pretty clear: after the Democrats have now won the Senate too, they are very quick to block Trump, Parler etc. So they are no better than the Republicans who supported or condoned Trump's antics so far and are only now discovering their conscience when it has become clear that his grip on power is slipping. The proverbial rats getting off the sinking ship...

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346346346 wrote: post #477

> Amazon on Saturday kicked Parler off its Web hosting services. Parler, a social network favored by conservative politicians and extremists, was used to help plan and coordinate the January 6 attempted coup on Washington D.C. It has recently been overrun with messages encouraging “Patriots” to march on Washington D.C. with weapons on January 19. Was this an "attempted coup" as well: > https://www.cnn.com/us/live-new…

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Post by ttul »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #427

Statement by John Matze "Sunday (tomorrow) at midnight Amazon will be shutting off all of our servers in an attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet. There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch. We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products. We will try our be…

> This was a coordinated attack by the tech giants to kill competition in the market place.

Nah, I don't buy that. The tech giants are booting Parler off their platforms because it's unprofitable. Imagine being Apple and choosing to keep Parler's app online when Amazon has booted them off. Or vice versa. You don't want to be the "last man standing" and subject to, effectively, a boycott of your services, or at the very least a bunch of terrible PR.

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Post by sjtgraham »

pcmoney wrote: post #449

If people on an app continually call for violence and violate your TOS you can boot them off. Especially if the app in question has no good faith moderation of content to meet your terms of service and their terms of service are either lacking or wink wink levels of enforcement. You can have ANY political perspective you want! Lower taxes, raise taxes, immigration policy, school choice, charter schools WHATEVER! You…

The market didn't decide anything, it's not like any stock prices are reacting to this speech being allowed by these corporations or not. These decisions are made by a handful of unaccountable, anonymous people in closed rooms, hiding by the institutions they work for.
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