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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by zimpenfish »

woahAcademia wrote: post #461
zimpenfish wrote: post #367

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When they moved to HiDPI screens, everything worked. In contrast, when I moved my Windows 10 box to a 4K monitor, everything was unbelievably tiny until I set the system scaling to 300%. Which then broke some apps (far too large text, etc.) that I had to go through the "run in this scaling compatibility mode" debacle. Except some other apps still had small text and icons (looking at you, Chitubox!) which required the…

So you have more pain points with Windows 10 than Apple corporation? My biggest pain are how Apple treats everyone, for the last 30 years. It's unbelievably frustrating.

> So you have more pain points with Windows 10 than Apple corporation?

Yes. Especially if you add in how Microsoft Corporation have treated people over the last 30 years too.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by krageon »

ubercow13 wrote: post #448
krageon wrote: post #430

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I have had 24h+ battery life on a 64bit x86_64 machine - clearly good battery life is possible already. Edit: Yes, this was with the lid open and me doing things. Not videogames, just some light coding.

On a form factor similar to a Macbook Air? I'm sure it is possible to have 24h+ battery life on a Linux laptop; if you ignore the other parameters (battery size and performance) it is meaningless.

thin, no fans, normal keyboard. I have not held a macbook air so I can't comment on weight. The battery size doesn't matter, only how long it lasts while using it :)

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by MobiusHorizons »

woahAcademia wrote: post #459
pedro596 wrote: post #433

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- Normally is attached to very good-looking and sturdy machines - You can have (..)nix like terminal in half of the screen and Office, Photoshop, and most of the shiny SW ("except games") running flawlessly in the other half without some kind of VM - The battery of this very nice machines that it comes attached to may last a day - Customization is a bit more restricted than its (..)nix cousins so most of the time it…

Can't really take this seriously when your first line is false.

Would you care to elaborate?

Try as I might, I have never found any laptop that is even half as sturdily built as a macbook. Yes apple plays dirty tricks that prevent inexpensive repair, but TBH, no one else produces a product that physically lasts long enough to be worth repairing by the time the board level components gives out.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by flyinglizard »

fsflover wrote: post #466
flyinglizard wrote: post #462

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Can I download a zip file which contains all of the phone’s engineering information, which I can then submit to Foxconn and manufacture millions?

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

So the answer is a resounding “no”:

>> Purism published the KiCAD schematics files for the DevKit, which was entirely designed with free software tools. However, Purism has not released the CAD files or the Gerber files for the Librem 5, in order to prevent the creation of clones. CEO Todd Weaver says that Purism needs to recover its development costs before releasing the Gerber files, which they are “thinking about releasing in a time capsule” of “3 years, 5 years, something like that.”

Not to mention the plastic CAD files, tooling, etc.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by sixbrx »

koyote wrote: post #304
hehetrthrthrjn wrote: post #274

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Generally good design and user-centered design (but that's being eroded with every new release) along with attention to detail. Small examples: you can scroll a window without having to click on it to make it active, applications don't refer to files using paths but file ids instead so you can generally move files around a disk while they are open without things breaking.

The scrolling behaviour also exists in Windows and in Linux. I believe (if I understand what you mean correctly) that the file system behaviour is also a Linux thing. Deleting a file that is open is completely fine in Linux. I think UX between the three OSs is almost completely a matter of habit and familiarity these days. I for one can't see how anyone can be productive with the (what I believe is abysmal) window ma…

> the file system behaviour is also a Linux thing

I think the interesting part is being missed here, the behavior is that the file is being identified to apps by a uniquie identifier which is not the path, so referrering apps still find it after it's been moved, even when they didn't have it open already. More like using the inode as the identifier maybe? This is a behavior that goes all the way back through the pre-OSX macs. It was part of some sort of philosophy for Macs though I forget its name.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by deergomoo »

woahAcademia wrote: post #458
deergomoo wrote: post #424

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It's a *nix with real Office and Photoshop

I'm not following why these are related. I use Linux for dev, I use windows for office and Photoshop. None of those require macOS.

That's nice, I hope you enjoy your setup.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

scoopertrooper wrote: post #190
ddingus wrote: post #109

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As spiffy as Apple mobile devices are, I never found the locked down environment worth it. Nice hardware, too bad about the OS/App model... This new hardware is awesome! I could care less overall though. Frankly, open computing can be done fast enough to not be a worry. I will stick with all that and see where this new path leads. And my mind is open. Who knows? Maybe it all ends up in a good place. I am quite happy…

The Mac M1 platform is about as open as any other laptop platform. Your points are quite valid for the i-class devices, but there is nothing preventing anyone from installing linux on an M1 Mac once driver support arrives.

Driver support will never arrive. The reverse engineering effort without specs from apple would be gigantic. And during that period the floss software would be running much worse than the benchmarks we see and want right now. All that for a moving target that Apple can also lock down with a random update at any time.

It's just not worth it.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by artemave »

onlyNow99 wrote: post #477
Argish wrote: post #473

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Apple is superficially "premium" nowadays. It has been releasing faulty keyboards on it's macbooks for years. They knew. They didn't care. They just continued to release new ones every year with the same faulty keyboard. Not to mention staingate (which affected me personally). Those 2700$+ macbooks with ghosting screens. The stupid chip that does a weird sound when you stop your music. The list just goes on and on. A…

Apple has always been superficially premium It’s an Intel machine They’ve released versions with bad graphics cards, bad batteries. It takes time to re-design and ship. They replaced numerous “bad keyboard” models for people. Meanwhile, every plastic Lenovo or Dell needs a new hinge or battery cover every year, and screws fall out. I’d take physically legit with hard to source issues like ghosted screens since I’m on…

Came here to defend my plastic Lenovo. Two years and counting, looks and feels like new. The keyboard still makes me want to just keep typing.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

CountSessine wrote: post #133
smspf wrote: post #121

No. Because (in no particular order): - it shouldn't be the community's (or a crowd-funded dev's) responsibility to provide software support for hardware produced by one of the largest companies out there (bonus: with zero hardware specs); - Apple could make all this futile with a push of a button (SecureBoot can be disabled for now, but what guarantees are there this won't change?); - other arm64 machines will be av…

For the record, I disagree with some of your points, but the one point I agree with is really important. There's no clear guarantee that there will be other performance-competitive arm64 CPUs in laptops anytime soon. I don't think anyone has as much incentive as Apple does. Who else is as incentivized to make a laptop/desktop-class arm64 chip? Maybe ARM themselves ... but without a mainstream OS to run it on (with ma…

Eventually they will come. And I think they will be linux laptops, not windows. The legacy support of closed source software windows has is working against them atm. Qualcomm for example already has hardware that is one or two iterations away from being competitive with the M1( with different strengths and weaknesses) and they can mainline their drivers if they want.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

msie wrote: post #252
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #244

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The company that forced me to buy a mac to develop for them?

How about Windows? Did someone force you to buy a computer to develop for it?

I wasn't clear enough. I meant I'm forced to buy a Mac to develop for iPhone.
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