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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

wgjordan wrote: post #461

Rather interesting that GitHub decided to restore access 1 day after receiving the EFF's counter notice, instead of waiting 10 days. As a brief legal recap, in 1998 the DMCA added §512 [1] to US copyright law, which established a mechanism for shielding 'service providers' from liability for content posted by users (known as 'safe harbor'), but only as long as they follow formal procedures (known as 'DMCA takedown')…

The youtube-dl incident was not a section 512 takedown. There was no infringing material, i.e., content, to remove. The RIAA letter made no mention of section 512, referring instead to section 1201. Neither did this letter from EFF refer to section 512. This was not a section 512 takedown. The rules in section 512 do not apply.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by nobody9999 »

MauranKilom wrote: post #382
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whenever you watch a video you are downloading it. Why is this comment downvoted? It's highlighting one of the most common misunderstandings that laypersons have regarding video download/streaming. Most people think that you can "view" content on the internet without downloading it. In this context, a tool which purports to "download" content, you know... sounds like it's nefariously doing something that the "viewi…

This may be completely true in a technical sense, but that's not how the law works (see https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 ). And while the same bits pass through your connection, this equivalence already breaks down right away: There is clearly a difference between persisting a media file to disk vs having it ephemeral in browser memory.

>There is clearly a difference between persisting a media file to disk vs having it ephemeral in browser memory.

Is there? When "streaming" video, there most certainly is a copy of the bits being stored on a disk to ensure that the video "stream" plays cleanly and without interruption.

Are you making the claim that "streamed" video is never buffered/stored on disk? That's an odd claim to make. I'm no expert on video streaming, but I would be very surprised to find that all video streams are only stored in RAM and not on disk.

I may well be wrong about that. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could chime in.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by justinclift »

xigency wrote: post #447
nonbirithm wrote: post #417

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It does, but it's broken. https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/23860 The developers are not responding to the issue, and from what I understand it is borderline impossible to fix, because there is an entire security team behind the Google login protection. The only workaround is to login with a browser and copy the cookies from it to youtube-dl.

> The only workaround is to login with a browser and copy the cookies from it to youtube-dl. That's really easy to do with postman.

"Postman" seems like a pretty generic name.

Looking quickly online, maybe you're meaning this one?

https://www.postman.com

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by tubbyjr »

ryanar wrote: post #184

It seems like EFF fought for youtube-dl and GitHub used their letter as legal firepower to bring the repo back online. If GitHub were fighting for the developer they would have funded the attorney, right? Though from their blog post it does look like they are taking steps to fund defense in the future as well as other steps to improve the situation. Reading EFFs claim is pretty interesting, they state that saving a c…

i have ytdl bound to some macros on my browser, so i can stream videos outside of the browser for accessibility reasons

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by andrei_says_ »

bigbubba wrote: post #232
boogies wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of that metadata is not normally downloaded alongside the video?

Plenty of it? I regularly download the metadata and subtitles of entire channels or playlists so that I can search for specific words or phrases in thousands of hours of video. I know of no other way to accomplish this.

This sounds incredibly powerful. Wondering if c-span is on youtube and properly close captioned.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by donmcronald »

wgjordan wrote: post #461

Rather interesting that GitHub decided to restore access 1 day after receiving the EFF's counter notice, instead of waiting 10 days. As a brief legal recap, in 1998 the DMCA added §512 [1] to US copyright law, which established a mechanism for shielding 'service providers' from liability for content posted by users (known as 'safe harbor'), but only as long as they follow formal procedures (known as 'DMCA takedown')…

I'm guessing they'd rather fight a battle over youtube-dl than something like popcorn time. Maybe the intentionally pushed the limits a bit.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by psadauskas »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #445
ponker wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Microsoft and the RIAA square off, the letter of the law isn’t really the battlefield. The battlefield is influence with the US Senate, and the EFF, while well regarded, is a Sancho Panza compared to Microsoft.

Microsoft won't square off with the RIAA since they're part of it.

So Microsoft sent a bogus DMCA takedown request to Microsoft, and the non-profit EFF had to respond to keep Microsoft from suing Microsoft?

Microsoft also has a program for matching employee donations to non-profits, so its likely Microsoft has also given money to the EFF as well.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by LordDragonfang »

panarky wrote: post #358
Rochus wrote: post #311

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I don't believe that Github actually needed the EFF's writing for this, or that they don't have the necessary technical expertise themselves. That is probably rather a protective assertion not to lose face. But at least they seem to have learned something from it now and want to review such requests technically before they (unjustifiably) act.

Github links to the EFF letter [0] in the DMCA repo. This letter spells out in clear, convincing and explicit detail why the RIAA was wrong. Profit-making Github and Microsoft could have performed this analysis and championed developers themselves, but it was the non-profit EFF that actually did the work. EFF deserves more credit than just a link for fighting against this shit. [0] https://github.com/github/dmca/blob…

The EFF is probably more qualified to respond to this, actually, since they have some of the most experienced lawyers there are when it comes to defending fair-use/free-as-in-freedom works from malicious DMCA notices. Microsoft's best play is just paying them, which other comments indicate they are doing.

The EFF isn't just some non-profit, it's the premier legal entity defending internet freedom. This is squarely in their wheelhouse.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by dredmorbius »

NoSalt wrote: post #353
ryanar wrote: post #184

It seems like EFF fought for youtube-dl and GitHub used their letter as legal firepower to bring the repo back online. If GitHub were fighting for the developer they would have funded the attorney, right? Though from their blog post it does look like they are taking steps to fund defense in the future as well as other steps to improve the situation. Reading EFFs claim is pretty interesting, they state that saving a c…

To be honest, I had no idea youtube-dl did anything else other than download YouTube videos. What other functions does it have?

youtube-dl is a networked multimedia swiss army knife supporting many operations and manipulations of audio, video, metadata, and auxiliary content from many video and audio hosting sites and platforms, as well as serving as an access layer for several playback tools, including mps-youtube, mpv, and VLC.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by wintorez »

adtac wrote: post #477
wintorez wrote: post #403

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Couldn't agree more: https://supporters.eff.org/donate/

not sure if you noticed, but the parent comment was joking about your typo -- you said EEF, not EFF :)

Oh! I see... well... my bad... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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