EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

Post by kohtatsu » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 3:34 AM UTC

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Post by part1of2 » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 3:36 AM UTC

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What about proposing encryption as an EU human right? Has that been attempted?

So really it wouldn’t be encryption so much as right to have secrets. Because whether I use EDCA or a really strongly in crackable safe, my right to privacy should be a thing? It sounds like somewhat of a stronger version than the US’s fifth amendment which says that you have a right to privacy unless it has to do with the crime currently being investigated. And come to think of it, encryption is unconstitutional as…

Post by mr_woozy » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 3:48 AM UTC

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WhatsApp is hardly safe from prying eyes anyway. Sure, there's always-on E2E encryption that is really well designed. However, WhatsApp constantly prompts every user to back up to the cloud, which is much less well secured. Thus, it's pretty trivial for the authorities to get to it there, I'm sure they can get into iCloud and Google Drive if they want to. It only takes one person in the conversation to have this opti…

Which is to say WhatsApp is perfectly secure as long as the hostile actor cannot access the WhatsApp backups. Only nation state actors might be able to do that.

Post by O_H_E » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 3:57 AM UTC

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Thanks—we've changed the URL from https://fm4.orf.at/stories/3008930/ . Submissions to HN need to be in English—we have great respect for other languages, including German, but HN is an English language site. Happily in this case, following the site guideline that calls for original sources solves this problem as well. (I've taken the title from the new URL, btw, which uses the rather strong preposition "against"—I s…

HN needs to come together to reward 'dang's hard work keeping HN to HN quality. I have this theory that with almost any great music groups there's usually one, sometimes two, great mind(s) working in the background, usually introverted, that really define the talent of the wider group (Brian Wilson, Quincy Jones, Phil Spector, etc are the rare few who got that recognition). NYT did a great exploration of how this cur…

Post by justinclift » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 4:07 AM UTC

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That still leaves too much room for interpretation (namely, quibbling over the definitions of "encrypt" or "end-to-end"). People have a right to encrypt their communication, end-to-end with their intended participants, such that no one other than their intended participants can decrypt any aspect of their communication.

I agree. Your expanded definition is better. Now let's flesh it out into a full-fledged proposal, put it up on a website and disseminate it among the people. Let's get it into the parliaments as something that the parliament members have to discuss and finally either accept or reject. Let's give them a good fight.