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Post by 20after4 »

brahyam wrote: post #270
Nextgrid wrote: post #211

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I suspect that a large part of this ad- and marketing-driven economy is based on this. The reason they predict their revenue will go up (which it will, at least in the short term until the market adjusts) is because they have a lot of customers already lined up to pay them to show ads on their TVs. Those customers' marketing departments decided to pay money to include their ads on TVs because a similar process was fo…

> looking at the companies who buy Google AdWords on their own brand - if someone's searching for your brand on Google your website will already be the top result - a click on the ad is not a true "conversion" in this case and is just wasted money Could be a true conversion given that all competitors are paying adwords on your brand name search also. If you don't have them you will probably appear after a long list o…

It's incredibly sad that it's even possible to bid for the top spot above a competitors trademark. The worst blow to the health of the web was likely google's merger with doubleclick.net.

Google has devolved into a shitty search engine even ignoring the advertising. Someone please build a search engine comparable to google in the mid-2000s. No duckduckgo isn't it.

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Post by Ancapistani »

antepodius wrote: post #126
flucivja wrote: post #105

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just thinking what would happen if I block connection to Ads services in my router...

A panasonic tactical technical response team is enroute to your house, ETA 15 minutes.

Now I have to fill my TV with Tannerite, too?!

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Post by fluffything »

brulard wrote: post #349
auggierose wrote: post #172

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Just buy an Apple TV, and then whatever TV you like.

I have ads on my Apple TV, don't you? Some movie trailers running in the background that I really don't want to see. And every time I miss-swipe somehow the Apple TV remote in an application, I get to that "home" screen watching another movie trailer :|

No, I don't have those. Maybe they can be disabled? I don't recall disabling them.

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Post by ssully »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #294
jiggawatts wrote: post #247

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I just got one today. It's so much better than the "Smart" Samsung TV it is plugged into that it's not even funny. The remote control has touch. I can use my phone to type text input. It's fast . It's elegant and slick. It has no ads. It has options that I care about. It doesn't waste my time with options I don't care about. The Samsung TV on the other hand was a flagship model. Top of the line. Best of the best. Jus…

There is one thing Apple TV has so backwards that I can't even. Text input. All the letters lined alphabetically with only left-right movement allowed. Takes ages to input anything. Also no corrections allowed. I actually exit appleTV and use the built in TV apps for when I need youtube and the like, because their input mechanism is not insane. I know there is a remote app for iPhones, but you do provide an actual re…

I assume they made the letters one row because of how sensitive the touch pad is on the remote. For example, when picking a show on Netflix I constantly go down a row when I am just trying to go right on a column. I assume keeping the letters on one axis is a not so great work around.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

neya wrote: post #31

Fuck the guy who wanted to suck up to the management in some stupid meeting projecting estimated revenue out of this to ask for a raise later because he "contributed to a revenue increase" to the company. There's absolutely no after thought to this decision - If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it, showing ads is unacceptable, no matter what the…

> hopefully they face backlash over this stupidity and this doesn't go on to become a norm

Do we have any evidence Samsung TV sales have taken a hit from these measures?

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Post by mjburgess »

EForEndeavour wrote: post #430
avian wrote: post #122

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In some stupid meeting somewhere: A: ...and in conclusion, it's a win-win situation. Users will benefit from ads and our revenue will go up. B: People don't like ads on their TV. A: But they do. I refer you to slides 18 through 25 where you can see engagement metrics for our ad rollout on the old model. If people wouldn't like ads they wouldn't be clicking on them so much . B: I don't like ads. Do you like ads on you…

This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes for understanding business and the modern world in general: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." —Upton Sinclair https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Upton_Sinclair

I think a better (less cynical) way of interpreting that is this:

Jobs which require a belief to perform sincerely, select people who hold that belief sincerely.

This principle should undo a lot of cynicism. Yes, eg., people in marketing often "really believe" their efforts are a net-positive, and no it isn't often, "mere cynicism" on their part.

Rather, what has happened, is that most who view marketing cynically, do not take a job in it.

We often misidentify this process of selecting for sincerity as a psychological-reality in those who are selected. Marketers "make money through cynical means" whilst sincerely believing they don't.

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Post by ascagnel_ »

oarsinsync wrote: post #101
huhtenberg wrote: post #79

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> If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it Just don't connect it to the Internet. The bigger problem is that at some point there will not be any "idiot box" models at all. The TVs will refuse to work if they aren't seeing the Internet. Then we'll be truly fucked.

> The bigger problem is that at some point there will not be any "idiot box" models at all. The TVs will refuse to work if they aren't seeing the Internet. Then we'll be truly fucked. We're closer to that than you think. My Philips Ambilight television (purchased this year) throws a popup every few weeks already complaining that I've not completed setup and connected it to the internet. As sold as I am on Ambilight (…

I’ve said it in the past: commercial displays are the new “dumb” displays. Unfortunately, they’re not full TVs — no speakers, no tuner — so they’re not as “idiot” friendly as a regular TV while being more expensive.

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Post by nuker »

summitsummit wrote: post #412
reaperducer wrote: post #363

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Or make the X button almost the same color as the background. TuneIn does this.

The best method I've found to increase positive engagement is actually to just have a fake 'x' such that clicking it just triggers the ad. I've noticed this more frequently on the web nowadays, and based on the click through rates, the target demographic is absolutely _obsessed_ over this feature.

> have a fake 'x' such that clicking it just triggers the ad.

I always, always thought this is what X buttons do, so I was simply closing the tab :))

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Post by Swenrekcah »

auggierose wrote: post #457
Swenrekcah wrote: post #403

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This is a company supposedly famous for great user interfaces and usability. Why not try to live up to it? There are actually many times I don't have my phone with me while watching TV. I carry it with me everywhere all day, but I try to keep it on the table most of the time when at home.

Apple TV has bluetooth, so if this is really an issue for you, why not get a dedicated TV keyboard?

Why can't they just fix their user interface? Nobody in the world I have talked to thinks this is the best choice of interfaces.

I don't need a dedicated TV keyboard. As I said, I work around it by using the TV apps, but it's annoying, and the most annoying part is that it's probably annoying on purpose to get people more on their phone.

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Post by capdeck »

alexpi wrote: post #382
fxtentacle wrote: post #84

... and that's exactly why my TV will never have an internet connection. By now, it doesn't really matter which brand you use. I have analyzed Samsung, Sony, LG and Philips and ALL of them send data about your usage to NetEase in China and ALL of them have ToS that say that they might record your voice and store it for improving their AI or whatever. Plus all of them shove suggested apps in your face, so I'd say it i…

> And without internet, there are not ads until all TVs will have built-in 5G SIM

> 5G

Don't believe coverage maps from wireless companies - 5% will get reception at best.

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