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Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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TLDR - At the time the claims were made, there was not enough evidence available to make any potentially defamatory claims. If the same standards were applied to financial reporting, the reporters would be in jail already. > To get concrete, there is evidence that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered someone. He's been charged with first-degree intentional homicide, this is Wisconsin's equivalent of Murder. These claims were co…

None of what you've said actually matters. Again, the standard isn't that you need to be correct, but that the statements you make would be made by a reasonable person. They can all be ultimatelywrong as long as they aren't unreasonable. It isn't unreasonable to call someone who shot someone else a murderer. It just is not. It is not unreasonable to conclude that someone who travelled to another state and then shot s…

> It isn't unreasonable to call someone who shot someone else a murderer. It just is not.

How about KKK member, white supremacist, racist, etc?

> It is not unreasonable to conclude that someone who travelled to another state and then shot someone was doing so for nefarious reasons. It may be wrong, but it isn't unreasonable.

This isn't what happened and there is substantial evidence that demonstrates this. He didn't travel there for that reason, he was there when it started because he works there. He traveled a shorter distance 'into another state' than from me to my local mall.

> Because that's a reach. You really think you know defamation better than the lawyers who work for those companies and specialize in defamation?

[0]Lin Wood, (Kyle's lawyer) recently won multiple defamation cases, one of which was against CNN for their poor coverage of the Nick Sandmann case. He's quite literally an expert in the field. I'm happy to let him sort things out.

> Your original complaint was about random individuals in twitter mobs making defamatory statements. They also have no credentials. So are you now saying that actually all the random people on Twitter are fine, but it's CNN and NBC and the news organizations that are making defamatory claims?

They aren't "fine" but they are not the originators of the harm. The so-called journalists intentionally editing video to alter narratives, and large organizations that are trying to alter the publicly available information are absolutely not fine.

And my original point was that I've not seen Twitter mobs (as a collective) avoid crossing the line. However, you can't go after a mob, you can only go after the most important individuals fanning the flames.

[0] https://lawandcrime.com/media/lawyer-for-covington-catholics...

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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None of what you've said actually matters. Again, the standard isn't that you need to be correct, but that the statements you make would be made by a reasonable person. They can all be ultimatelywrong as long as they aren't unreasonable. It isn't unreasonable to call someone who shot someone else a murderer. It just is not. It is not unreasonable to conclude that someone who travelled to another state and then shot s…

> It isn't unreasonable to call someone who shot someone else a murderer. It just is not. How about KKK member, white supremacist, racist, etc? > It is not unreasonable to conclude that someone who travelled to another state and then shot someone was doing so for nefarious reasons. It may be wrong, but it isn't unreasonable. This isn't what happened and there is substantial evidence that demonstrates this. He didn't…

I already explained why calling him a white supremacist isn't unresonable. Calling him a KKK member likely falls under the exceptions for hyperbole. And are you saying CNN has called him a KKK member?

You can't use CNN because a twitter user called someone a white supremacist after CNN correctly reported on events and someone else says something inflammatory. Either you can go after CNN for the reporting it does, or you can go after random twitter users for inflammatory stuff, but understand that you already said that that was okay when you claimed musk was "different".

And just a note, Lin Wood did not win a case against CNN. The Sandmann case was settled out of court. Please don't defame CNN like that.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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> It’s really propaganda that boils things down to allies and enemies. Yes and no, there are some ways of seeing things that are not really compatible. For example, the USSR wanted to export communism internationally which meant incidentally fomenting violent coups around the world to create socialist powers they could control. If you are a target of such strategies you can't seriously be "friendly" with such powers…

The US has fomented violent coups and interfered with legitimate elections all around the world in service of exporting capitalism and free market imperialism (e.g., in Italy, Indonesia, Iran, any number of countries in Central and South America). And Stalin repeatedly instructed revolutionary communists to stand down in order to avoid provoking Western powers (e.g, in Greece, Italy, France, Yugoslavia, and even Chin…

> The USSR provided little to no assistance to revolutionaries in Central and South America

So I guess Cuba does not count? Sending missiles right at the doorstep of the US and constant financial aid seems to counter your point.

> The US has fomented violent coups and interfered with legitimate elections all around the world in service of exporting capitalism and free market imperialism (e.g., in Italy, Indonesia, Iran, any number of countries in Central and South America).

Every major power does that, but they are not all equal. The British empire was in comparison a lot more violent that the US has ever been. And people who lived under Soviet Rule (even outside of Russia) also know very well it was far from a peace-loving, people-respecting regime.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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> It’s really propaganda that boils things down to allies and enemies. Yes and no, there are some ways of seeing things that are not really compatible. For example, the USSR wanted to export communism internationally which meant incidentally fomenting violent coups around the world to create socialist powers they could control. If you are a target of such strategies you can't seriously be "friendly" with such powers…

People are not their governments. Viewing competing governments as competition between their countries - I think that is propaganda. The US government violates the privacy of US people through mass surveillance. Now it is competing for control over social media. Yet the goal of mass surveillance of US people, which harms US people, is justified in terms of US interests. During the cold war all sorts of things were ju…

> People are not their governments.

Especially in dictatorships like China and Russia, indeed.

> Viewing competing governments as competition between their countries

I don't understand this comment. So if a foreign government is opposed to you, it's OK because it does not represent its people and therefore you should not do anything about it? As far as I know the government controls the use of violence force so in the end of the day governments matter over people when it comes to foreign relations.

> During the cold war all sorts of things were justified because they made sense from the perspective of US (governmental) interests. The Vietnam war, the Mujahideen, the toppling of free and democratic governments.

This hardly happened in a vacuum. In case you missed an episode the whole of Europe and several parts of Asia were threatened to be taken over by communist rule, in a violent fashion - the US acted as a counter power to that.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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I would imagine that if someone is hiding some use of the Grindr app from their S/O, they can be blackmailed. It would be particularly evident due to the location and photo-based tenants of the service. That is exactly why they ask the questions they do on the counterintelligence polygraph

Right, but certainly the same applies for any app someone might use to cheat (Tinder, Facebook, etc). I don't understand why Grindr is in a class of its own.

Because it’s use implies Homosexuality, which may or may not be known by the SO. Most SO would forgive cheating with the opposite sex before cheating with the same sex I’d imagine. It’s an extra layer of uncertainty.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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post #367

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The US has fomented violent coups and interfered with legitimate elections all around the world in service of exporting capitalism and free market imperialism (e.g., in Italy, Indonesia, Iran, any number of countries in Central and South America). And Stalin repeatedly instructed revolutionary communists to stand down in order to avoid provoking Western powers (e.g, in Greece, Italy, France, Yugoslavia, and even Chin…

> The USSR provided little to no assistance to revolutionaries in Central and South America So I guess Cuba does not count? Sending missiles right at the doorstep of the US and constant financial aid seems to counter your point. > The US has fomented violent coups and interfered with legitimate elections all around the world in service of exporting capitalism and free market imperialism (e.g., in Italy, Indonesia, Ir…

The USSR proposed deescalation and moratoria on new weapons development repeatedly during the Cold War, and they were consistently rebuffed. Did the US not have a presence in Europe on the Soviet Union’s doorstep?

“Everybody does imperialism” is not the glimmering rebuttal you think it is.

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