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https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1266340243134963712 EDIT: Scroll down a bit, the original poster made their account private a few moments ago

Damaging property is not violence.

I am pretty sure you would disagree if someone started smashing your front door or car. It is at best technically true in a deeply misleading way like calling a surgeon "a professional cutter and organ remover from the helpless".

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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I wrote this on the duplicate topic here, copying as I believe it matters:

I know it is "never too late" for things like this to happen, but it's definitely late.

One of the main reasons for bad things to happen is the lack of education (which, in turn, leads to resist to change) and, therefore makes people prone to believe to unbelievable things.

Social platforms like Twitter should have long had things like "fact checking" ANY statements and should have restricting not only violence glorifying posts, but also the ones with racial or sexual discrimination and all the others .

It is late, but I like seeing it happen at least for the person with the most "glorifying" record in dividing a society.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

> I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them

Moderation, at scale, is a very tough problem to solve.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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post #362

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Wait, Trump, the guy who had a platform plank complaining about his predecessors' use of executive orders as "power grabs" [0], actually issued an executive order about Twitter's TOS ? 0 - https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-10-19/trump-...

Don't worry... he also criticized Obama for golfing too much, and has gone golfing more frequently than Obama. And Senate Republicans have openly asked judges to resign so they can be replaced by conservative judges, and their justification for why it's okay to do this so close to an election but it wasn't okay to confirm Garland so close to an election literally amounts to "Obama's a Democrat, Trump's a Republican."

> And Senate Republicans have openly asked judges to resign so they can be replaced by conservative judges, and their justification for why it's okay to do this so close to an election but it wasn't okay to confirm Garland so close to an election literally amounts to "Obama's a Democrat, Trump's a Republican."

It's worse than that. There were at least three high ranking Republican Senators who said that if Clinton won the election, they would go her entire 4 (or 8) years without confirming any Supreme Court nominees, keeping any vacant seats open until there was a Republican President again to fill them.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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post #436

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If the lies are obvious, why do they need "fact checking"?

Because, for better or worse, the sources of truth that normal people historically relied on for their barometer of what is true or not have been democratized by the internet. We live in a world where a substantial number of people believe the earth is flat, that 5G cellular is a mind control scheme, that vaccines cause autism, that COVID-19 was created by a political party, that the concept of climate change is manu…

> can't trust the publisher at face value anymore

So you don't think mainstream media lies too, all the time, like politicians? RussiaGate is still unproven and by all definitions, a conspiracy. What makes them any more allowed to shill but individuals cannot?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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The service that hosts the accounts of all branches of the US military, all major weapons contractors, all three letter agencies, and many foreign militaries, governments, and world leaders guilty of all manner of war crimes, and this is where they draw the line for violence. Really interesting.

> Really interesting.

Is it "really interesting" that Twitter is paying extra attention to the President of the United States' Twitter account? I don't think so.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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The legal issue is that their legal protection from defamation and libel under section 230 requires them to moderate "in good faith". If they only selective moderate accounts, then that protection may not survive in court. ...but I think a greater concern we can all agree on, is that for the type of communications that Twitter does - Twitter is effectively a monopoly. The people being censored here can't even themsel…

There is no requirement under section 230 to moderate content in good faith. Selective moderation does not affect their liability. This law was passed democratically, for exactly this purpose. >"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." This federal law preempts any state laws to the contrar…

It's literally written into the law in section 230 (c)(2)(A)...

> No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of — any action voluntarily taken in __good faith__ to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected

...and that specific requirement has been specifically referenced in Trump's recent executive order.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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post #384

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How about this one: https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086927762634399744?...

You could say requesting dox is a form of violence. But it's a lot less violent than ordering the military to shoot people. It's reasonable that a policy of removing tweets that glorify violence would catch one but not the other.

''But it's a lot less violent than ordering the military to shoot people.'' You know, he is president, that gives him right to use or threaten with violence if he thinks that safety of country is seriously in danger. If you think that he is breaking constitution there is court to decide about that.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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post #366

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The issue is that the rules are being enforced selectively. Just this week Twitter fact checked Trump's opinion on mail voter fraud by linking to other experts' opinions. It seems more like a move to influence the election rather than enforcing the rules.

Let’s entertain the possibility that Twitter is doing this to influence the election. So what? There’s no law prohibiting these types of businesses from supporting a political candidate. They could plaster a huge “Vote For X” banner at the top of every person’s profile. Don’t like it? Don’t use it. It’s not like Twitter is tax-exempt which would prohibit it from endorsing candidates like Churches.

> It’s not like Twitter is tax-exempt which would prohibit it from endorsing candidates like Churches.

Twitter is not tax-exempt but is certainly lawsuit-exempt to a large degree. The entire reason twitter has not be sued into oblivion for the actions of it's users is because of the protections Section 230[1] grants them.

But here is the pinch. Section 230 protection applies only as long as you act as platforms for 3rd party speech. But when they start plastering "Vote for X" banners on their websites of their own violations, they go from being platforms for 3rd party speech to 1st party publishers. That effectively removes the Section 230 protections twitter enjoys.

I much as I hate to say it, Trump might be right this once. Twitter has stopped being a neutral platform enforcing consistent policies for quite some time now.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communicati...

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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post #436

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Fact-checking obvious lies is a "progressive value"? Wow, that really shows how bad things have gotten.

If the lies are obvious, why do they need "fact checking"?

Because people don't engage in critical thinking and many are predisposed to consider statements made by people in positions of high authority as fact.
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